zag Posted October 10, 2012 Author Posted October 10, 2012 Now that's a good idea! We are using a transparent proxy as well. I didn't think about setting them all up as individual users. Isn't that a huge amount of admin for you?
Gibson335 Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Now that's a good idea! We are using a transparent proxy as well. I didn't think about setting them all up as individual users. Isn't that a huge amount of admin for you? Was that Q for me? If so, sorry for the confusion...the wireless network is integrated with their Curric AD and so they enter their usual network passwords.
IrritableTech Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 If it was directed at me, our controller too links to AD and generates a unique PSK on the fly. It's the Ruckus Dynamic PSK feature.
zag Posted October 10, 2012 Author Posted October 10, 2012 Thanks for both your answers, seems our aruba system doesn't have that functionality. We have the captive portal but there isnt any option to connect it to AD
Jamo Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Thanks for both your answers, seems our aruba system doesn't have that functionality. You can use radius with an IAS server, using PEAP MS-CHAPv2 you can authenticate with usernames and passwords and push them to different VLANS.
36Degrees Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 How do you complete your statutory Duty of Care to ensure that devices are not used, whilst in school, for bullying, sharing illegal materials, sexting, or other activities which may cause harm to children? This is a point that I have raised here. I know that UltraSurf can bypass proxy servers so I have ensured that Sophos blocks UltraSurf and it's ilk but I also know there are certain 6th Form students that will have UltraSurf installed on their laptops before they even bring them in.
gshaw Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 I think BYOD depends on which "flavour" of it you go for, I see two main camps... 1) provide a standard desktop on someone else's device, pretty much a VDI project 2) turn everything web-based e.g. VLE, Google Apps \ Office 365 etc I'm more in the 2nd one than the first at present as VDI is so pricey to implement, as it stands I've got the usual guest Wi-Fi VLAN and Palo Alto to keep P2P etc in check. Ruckus does client isolation so one BYOD laptop cna't talk to another within the same network.
GrumbleDook Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 education. Who signs off that the education is both suitable and effective?
GrumbleDook Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 @GrumbleDook Students are already bringing these devices into schools. Banning them, just puts them under the desk rather than on top of it. Devices still in use but the educational potential lost. Bullying, sexting and all the other online activities which do harm children could already be happening within the school fence. Education is key to stopping these activities, however monitoring internet use will also identify when students go off the rails. Schools can not monitor 3G connections. So to my mind, allowing BYOD should help reduce these risks rather than increase them. Before launch I hope to get various members of the school community together to write a suitable user policy. It is my belief that if we involve students in the decision making, they will more likely stick to its outcomes. I know ... I am playing Devil's Advocate here to try to identify a few key processes and facts.
CyberNerd Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Who signs off that the education is both suitable and effective? Michael Gove takes the ultimate responsibility.
glennda Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 This could be interesting in terms of BYOD - although it would mean leaving data on third party machines VMware Mirage (Formerly Wanova) Although with VDI these days BYOD could be implemented so easily. Including connect from anywhere etc VMware View currently has client for - Windows, OSX, Ubuntu Linux, IOS and Android - with there being an open source version which has been complied to run on loads of other OS's - including the Raspberry PI
GrumbleDook Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Michael Gove takes the ultimate responsibility. Oh, how so many wish that was true! Within your school, who signs off that the education is both suitable and effective?
IrritableTech Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 I know ... I am playing Devil's Advocate here to try to identify a few key processes and facts. I hoped as much
CyberNerd Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Oh, how so many wish that was true! Within your school, who signs off that the education is both suitable and effective? Headteacher, Governors.
zag Posted October 11, 2012 Author Posted October 11, 2012 I hoped as much I've just been reading your blog @IrritableTech, great stuff. Thanks for writing it all up.
IrritableTech Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Not at all, thank you. Glad you found it useful @zag
Roberto Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Thanks for both your answers, seems our aruba system doesn't have that functionality. We have the captive portal but there isnt any option to connect it to AD We have an Aruba system here. We're connected to AD via a RADIUS server and this is how staff and students authenticate to use their personal devices, and it also allows us to manage accounts for 'true' guests locally on the controller.
GrumbleDook Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Headteacher, Governors. What training, experience, advice / guidance (including legal) have the Headteacher and Governors had to be able to make this assessment?
Roberto Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) What training, experience, advice / guidance (including legal) have the Headteacher and Governors had to be able to make this assessment? I suspect they've read an article on the BBC that says mauve is the best colour for BYOD as it has the most RAM. And that was the beginning and ending of their training, unless the LA sponsored a day for them to listen to someone who last stepped into a classroom in the 80s and who thinks "Bring your Own Desktop" is a way of getting woodwork back on the curriculum wax lyrical about it. Edited October 11, 2012 by Roberto
CyberNerd Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 What training, experience, advice / guidance (including legal) have the Headteacher and Governors had to be able to make this assessment? Are you really suggesting that headteachers, teachers and governors aren't qualified to come up with an adequate educational program to teach about cybersecurity and cyberbullying ? Who is then? The LA?
daveyboy Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Dook - you know full well that 99% have no idea. Just like Building Maintanence, Finance, etc, etc, oh and everything else outside the subjects they taught. Are you sure that a Headteacher who came through Humanities has 'training, experience, advice / guidance (including legal)' regarding The Science Labs & Prep rooms (storing of chemicals, etc, etc).....? Ask a different question.......
GrumbleDook Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 @Roberto and @CyberNerd I am asking these questions to try to pin point some stuff to take into a discussion on another forum (ok ... LinkedIn) looking at the legal aspect of BYOD. The discussion is a tad lengthy at the moment around Risk Assessment and Competent Person ... so I am trying to gather a few more examples of why and how schools have made certain decisions and who in those schools have made them. Some responses when the Qs have been asked elsewhere have indeed been all about the shiny and hype, and it is good to see the quick response from @CyberNerd. As for the LA being qualified / experienced in this ... YMMV ... in the same way it is for schools.
GrumbleDook Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Dook - you know full well that 99% have no idea. Just like Building Maintanence, Finance, etc, etc, oh and everything else outside the subjects they taught. Are you sure that a Headteacher who came through Humanities has 'training, experience, advice / guidance (including legal)' regarding The Science Labs & Prep rooms (storing of chemicals, etc, etc).....? Ask a different question....... The problem with these areas is that there is a good amount of guidance out there around H&S in schools to cover this. COSHH, financial audits, etc ... so even is a Head doesn't have this expertise they can devolve the actions to someone else (in Safeguarding this is often to a designated Child Protection Officer) but they still take responsibility. There is not the same level of accountability yet around much of technology even though many of the same laws apply. It is Catch 22 ... but I am trying to see if the same Risk Assessment principles that are used in the above are doing the business when it comes to BYOD ... you don't know until you ask.
Roberto Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 @Roberto and @CyberNerd I am asking these questions to try to pin point some stuff to take into a discussion on another forum (ok ... LinkedIn) looking at the legal aspect of BYOD. The discussion is a tad lengthy at the moment around Risk Assessment and Competent Person ... so I am trying to gather a few more examples of why and how schools have made certain decisions and who in those schools have made them. Some responses when the Qs have been asked elsewhere have indeed been all about the shiny and hype, and it is good to see the quick response from @CyberNerd. As for the LA being qualified / experienced in this ... YMMV ... in the same way it is for schools. Fair enough. My comments might have been made in my usual flippant tone but there was also a serious side to them: more than a few places (business as well as edu) I've seen have implemented BYOD purely because one of the big cheeses read an article about how lovely and fluffy BYOD is, and didn't want to discuss any boring details other than "When can you do it" and "why isn't it done yet". 1
daveyboy Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Thats a better question, one where you have almost answered it yourself. 'a good amount of guidance out there' - the problem with IT is it is always about money & profit / Headteachers & SMT and shiny toys. Has anyone ever thought to get the best from what they have already?
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