synaesthesia Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 In case anyone's not had the leaflets etc/not seen them, RM's pricing has come down yet again for broadband provision. So if you've not yet made decisions or orders then it could very well be worth a look. Don't forget to factor in *everything* when comparing prices - for instance for secondary schools RM's pricing would need to be considered along with a suitable on site filtering/security setup such as Smoothwall or similar. Well worth a look though.
twin--turbo Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 What is there pricing? I have access to some very very competetive pricing for ADSL,EFM,BONDED and FIBRE (and MPLS option too for multisiters). We don't do much localy as our old RBC put a load of Fibre in the ground and is selling it very cheap to try and recoup the cost. But in other locations Rob
synaesthesia Posted July 4, 2012 Author Posted July 4, 2012 Circa 8.4k for 100mb leased. Naturally that will be location dependant etc etc but still...
twin--turbo Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Why are people selling 100Mb to schools, it's ridiculous. I Went down that route a year and a half ago and was spending far too much. We did some analysis and asked the provider. We determined that Peak was generally about 20M. So we played safe and went for 40/100 and halved our cost. That's for a twin site school with a combined roll of ~1600 and a large system base. There's some aggressive pricing going on to schools (quite often from the RBC's who cut it too and past the bone), but if you want a quote then fire your postcode and I can see if there's and chance. Rob
synaesthesia Posted July 4, 2012 Author Posted July 4, 2012 Doesn't matter for us, we're already sorted. 50MB on a 100MB bearer. I wouldn't call it a waste of money as there's little to no difference in cost to the supplier and also very little difference in cost to the end user. And the way things are going, within a few years many of us would be glad for that sort of speed.
glennda Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Why are people selling 100Mb to schools, it's ridiculous. I Went down that route a year and a half ago and was spending far too much. Because isp's have realised that as they are putting 100mbps cables the ground they may as well use it - one client of mine a 100mbps line is mow cheaper then the 30mbps line they have had for 3 years
twin--turbo Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Because isp's have realised that as they are putting 100mbps cables the ground they may as well use it - one client of mine a 100mbps line is mow cheaper then the 30mbps line they have had for 3 years ISP's incur data transit costs through the carriers networks so it does actually matter to them what they charge, the fiber in the ground has been capable of 100Mb for a long time the 10Mb Bearer is a bit of a joke really. and if you look at the line card of an old style (Pre 21CN) Fiber NTE you will find jumpers to select 10/100Mb on the card. If your a School and your on BT.NET then they may be open to "Flexing" depending on your reseller. We flexed from 100Mb to 40Mb with no service charge and a vast reduction in cost. Our Sales manager said we can flex as often as we like for no cost so could plan for the summer holiday to flex to 10Mb. With LLU of fiber more Major carriers are providing fiber on exchanges that were once the sole domain of BT. The still have to contract OR to put the fiber and the NTE's in but the routing equipment is provided by the user or by the Carrier rather than BT providing a vastly over speced 2900 Series Cisco (VASTLY OVER THE TOP!!). Prices have dropped in the last 12 months due to the LLU, and yes a 100Mb may well be less than a 30Mb sold 18 Months ago. You need to shop arround these days. But any area with an incumbent RBC who has put in there own infrastructure will probably get the best price from the RBC as they need the clients.. Rob
SchoolsBroadband Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) We've just done our first secondary school within embc on a full 100mbit. The school has peaked at around 70mbit this week with average speeds of about 45mbit for the majority of the day. I have no evidence to back it up but Ive Been told RM use Talk Talk which is why their prices are so cheap. We generally use BT wholesale which I believe is a superior service as it doesn't use the same bandwidth as their desk customers unlike Talk Talk which Ive been told does. Talk Talk use a BT Local Access Ethernet Direct fibre service from the school to he exchange then their own Talk Talk network around the country. So even though the school just sees BT lines and equipment in their comma cabinet, there's much more going on in the background and it's not 100% BT. Although Talk Talk can be cost effective we've seen quite a few problems using their service with regards to speed and we rarely use them anymore, never for schools. A prime example is our new office. We used a Talk Talk service to connect back to our nearest pop. Big mistake, after 4 months our 100mbit service never gets above 70mbit download and 40mbit upload. We've had multiple engineers to site from BT and Talk Talk and we are still not working. The latest is that BT are rebuilding the local EAD fibre circuit but I doubt that this is where the problem lies. I'll let you know how we get on. THe moral of the story is though that you get what you pay for! Edited July 18, 2012 by SchoolsBroadband
synaesthesia Posted July 18, 2012 Author Posted July 18, 2012 RM uses a mixture of connectivity I believe - round our way they use Virgin.
SchoolsBroadband Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 We've just got some awesome pricing for wholesale costs from Virgin. Unfortunately too late to help schools in Northmptonshire as there is no way they'll get the line in before 31st October. Once in Virgin is really good. Unfortunately getting it in can be a nightmare. Where Virgin fibre hasn't already been installed our last few wholesale orders we placed with them have taken 9 months ( yes NINE months!) to get in
synaesthesia Posted July 18, 2012 Author Posted July 18, 2012 So, when are you installing ours? (Few people even excluding our IT guys are getting rather hacked off with increasingly crap filtering and shrugging shoulders at EMBC)
SchoolsBroadband Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Middle of August mate. BT should have their work done 1st week so watch this space! You sound excited
synaesthesia Posted July 18, 2012 Author Posted July 18, 2012 Damn right. It's all change here (in for a penny, in for a pound and all that!) and I think all 3 of us are desperate to get our teeth into Fortinet and the VPN
synaesthesia Posted July 26, 2012 Author Posted July 26, 2012 Round of applause (in a slow-clap fashion) goes to Eclipse for realising they were massively uncompetitive and have *today* decided to tweak their pricing. Bit late to a game that for anyone bothered should have finished a couple of months ago!
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