daveyboy Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 Am I the only Netware SysAdmin on edugeek.net?
GrumbleDook Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 Hold on ... if you are netware ... shouldn't you be shouting downwards ... towards the burning infernos ... I'll get my coat.
CyberNerd Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 Netware? as in Novell ? or is that microsoft ? See the light, the *nix forum is here
RoyG Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Am I the only Netware SysAdmin on edugeek.net? You are not alone! The quietness could be something to do with Netware not giving QUITE so many problems as MS! Having said that, we did have a bit of drama last term when our main curriculum server (which was over 5 years old) developed a habit of spontaneously rebooting itself! The abend log showed no discernible pattern, so after a couple of weeks trying to diagnose the problem we gave up and ordered a nice new shiny HP server - which was delivered with no hard-drives! It took us the best part of a month to track down the 8 146Gb 2.5" SAS drives we needed for it!! All is now back to normal - abend log is empty.... RoyG P.S. We also got a nice new shiny FREE Windows 2003 server (courtesy of DfES/BECTA) to run the KS3 tests on - delivered on the very day the tests were scrapped!!! Guess it'll be useful as a bit of extra storage!
daveyboy Posted January 21, 2007 Author Posted January 21, 2007 @RoyG It's good to know there's another Netware Head out there. Didn't know Netware had an Abend Log................ The quietness could be something to do with Netware not giving QUITE so many problems as MS!
daveyboy Posted January 21, 2007 Author Posted January 21, 2007 Oh, I forgot P.S. We also got a nice new shiny FREE Windows 2003 server (courtesy of DfES/BECTA) to run the KS3 tests on - delivered on the very day the tests were scrapped!!! Guess it'll be useful as a bit of extra storage! I'm planning to use mine to show the students simple networks........
riedquat Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 Yes, there are some of us out there, quietly going about our business though as for 'seeing the light' and moving to 'nix, the majority of Novell products run on Netware, Windows and Linux already so we have our feet in all camps.
e_g_r Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 I was Netware many years ago. My current fav saying to my staff is "Microsoft Active Directory - doing the same Novell has been doing for the past 10 years" ps FFS Microsoft! if your going to rip off another product why couldn't you at least steal one of its most usefull functions? The handy restrict user to single login button
webman Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 ps FFS Microsoft! if your going to rip off another product why couldn't you at least steal one of its most usefull functions? The handy restrict user to single login button That would be too easy
RoyG Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 @RoyG Didn't know Netware had an Abend Log................ Actually, the new server doesn't have one yet! RoyG
brubakes Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 You're not the only one. I'm in the same boat as you. I really do prefer NetWare and I think its not given the credit it deserves.
russdev Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Does netware still have that behaviour if you delete admin account it sets every user to admin status... Russell
riedquat Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 You're not the only Netware admin, I have been for the past 11 years, although from easter 2008 it's all change as we will be replacing the whole network with an RM system. SMT want 'full' support from our county ICT team and that means we have to move to a complete RM system. On the plus side, it does mean that i'll get some new servers to play with to run it all. Does netware still have that behaviour if you delete admin account it sets every user to admin status... Russell dunno about that...unless it's a problem that could occur with netware prior to version 3.11 I have never seen that behaviour
russdev Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 You're not the only Netware admin, I have been for the past 11 years, although from easter 2008 it's all change as we will be replacing the whole network with an RM system. SMT want 'full' support from our county ICT team and that means we have to move to a complete RM system. On the plus side, it does mean that i'll get some new servers to play with to run it all. Does netware still have that behaviour if you delete admin account it sets every user to admin status... Russell dunno about that...unless it's a problem that could occur with netware prior to version 3.11 I have never seen that behaviour This was a good 10 years ago use to do that so suspect it does not do that know.. Russ
torledo Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 I was Netware many years ago. My current fav saying to my staff is "Microsoft Active Directory - doing the same Novell has been doing for the past 10 years" ps FFS Microsoft! if your going to rip off another product why couldn't you at least steal one of its most usefull functions? The handy restrict user to single login button if microsoft were going to rip off a feature from netware it should have been ndps. windows server has been crying out for something akin to ndps since w2k server rolled out of redmond. As for the poster who's school are replacing netware with RM all i can say is...bad luck. I think NW 6.5 is a great product, but unfortunately it is betamax to w2k3's VHS. A technically superior and more mature product but w2k3 will always be the platform of choice 99% of the time. AD still can't match Edirectory/NDS for scalability in the enteprise, but ofcourse Edirectory can run on Windows or Linux aswell now so NW is no longer the must have. I had noticed how quiet this place was, wonder if netware will eventually have to go the way of VAX and OS/2.
Joedetic Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 I hope it doesn't because I've heard a lot of good things about it and I'd like to get the chance to play with it before it gets scrapped.
riedquat Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 I think NW 6.5 is a great product, but unfortunately it is betamax to w2k3's VHS. A technically superior and more mature product but w2k3 will always be the platform of choice 99% of the time. AD still can't match Edirectory/NDS for scalability in the enteprise, but ofcourse Edirectory can run on Windows or Linux aswell now so NW is no longer the must have. Indeed, the current version of the Netware services running on the native Netware kernel is the last version although it will be supported by service packs for a few years yet (the installed user base is too big for it to be completely abandoned). Novell's current push is for Open Enterprise Server 2 (OES2) which is basically the Netware services running on a Linux kernel. In fact Netware 6.5 with service pack 7 IS OES2 on the netware kernel and like you say, the killer Novell proucts, edirectory, Zenworks (now Zenworks Configuration Management) and Groupwise will run on Netware, Linux or Windows.
torledo Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 I think NW 6.5 is a great product, but unfortunately it is betamax to w2k3's VHS. A technically superior and more mature product but w2k3 will always be the platform of choice 99% of the time. AD still can't match Edirectory/NDS for scalability in the enteprise, but ofcourse Edirectory can run on Windows or Linux aswell now so NW is no longer the must have. Indeed, the current version of the Netware services running on the native Netware kernel is the last version although it will be supported by service packs for a few years yet (the installed user base is too big for it to be completely abandoned). Novell's current push is for Open Enterprise Server 2 (OES2) which is basically the Netware services running on a Linux kernel. In fact Netware 6.5 with service pack 7 IS OES2 on the netware kernel and like you say, the killer Novell proucts, edirectory, Zenworks (now Zenworks Configuration Management) and Groupwise will run on Netware, Linux or Windows. Could you explain a little bit about how the OES product works. I know that starting with Netware 6 Novell ported open source apps such as MySQL, PHP and Apache to Netware. With the SUSE acquistion they've now got an enteprise-scale Linux server platform (SLES). So how does the OES fit into this and how is it useful ? I would have thought it's better to choose one or the other, Netware or SLES, can you explain a bit about the architecture of OES and why it's useful ?
RoyG Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 You're not the only Netware admin, I have been for the past 11 years, although from easter 2008 it's all change as we will be replacing the whole network with an RM system. SMT want 'full' support from our county ICT team and that means we have to move to a complete RM system. On the plus side, it does mean that i'll get some new servers to play with to run it all. I'd be totally devastated if our SMT made a similar decision! Fortunately I don't think they are going to!! I'm heading for retirement next July. We've appointed a replacement who's going to work alongside me from January to make the transition as seamless as possible. He's got experience of Netware & is happy to leave the present system pretty much as it is. I suppose medium term he'll have to consider upgrading to OES when Novell end support for Netware 6.5 - 2012 I believe. Meanwhile - Netware rocks!! RoyG
riedquat Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 Could you explain a little bit about how the OES product works. I know that starting with Netware 6 Novell ported open source apps such as MySQL, PHP and Apache to Netware. With the SUSE acquistion they've now got an enteprise-scale Linux server platform (SLES). So how does the OES fit into this and how is it useful ? I would have thought it's better to choose one or the other, Netware or SLES, can you explain a bit about the architecture of OES and why it's useful ? The core services that make up a typical Netware 6.5 server (NCP, iprint, edirectory, ifolder, netstorage, NSS etc) have been ported/re-coded to run as services/daemons on top of a standard Linux server installation. This is what you get if you use OES2-Linux, a standard SUSE linux install with all the typical linux services such as apache, mysql, php etc...PLUS the Netware componants running on top. To your clients, it appears as a normal netware server. The big advantage you get is that you now have access to a huge range of standard linux apps (application serving has always been Netware's weak point). As to which to choose, I belive that the idea is that you choose OES2-Linux for new installs and install SP7 on your Netware boxes which turns them into OES2 before eventually converting them into Linux servers. Where I am for instance, we have 3 Netware 6.5 SP6 boxes (SP6 turns Netware into OES v1) and 1 OES-Linux box (used to run squid/dansguardian). If we were not moving away from Netware in easter, I would now be planning to upgrade the netware boxes to SP7 essentially turning them into OES v2 and upgrading the Linux server to OES v2.
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