richard2233 Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 Hi all, Looking for some advice really. I am going to be leaving my current place of work (secondary school) to work for another company. The school has asked me if I would be interested in doing the website on the side, so I have said yes. Now I have already created the website design but it currently has no content at all. So once I start my new job its just needing the content added and BAM the have a site. But how much would you charge? I've never charged a school or company before for websites so I’m at a bit stuck. The site has roughly 20 pages and I might have to set up a flash photo gallery. The content (writing would be supplied by a co-ordinator in the school) Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Rich
featured_spectre Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 use edugeek-joomla, pages are easy to edit, easy to run. charge what you feel to be reasonable.
richard2233 Posted October 13, 2009 Author Posted October 13, 2009 Thanks but I already have the site in place, Im just unsure of how much to charge on an hourly basis / per page?!
kmount Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 I'd get a bit more info, are you required to maintain it after the initial content is put into place, are you responsible for the server it is hosted on, ie. updates etc. Most importantly, find out what they expect from you, do they expect you to assist with problems in your new working day, would need to clear that kind of commitment with your new employer etc. Unfortunately though, people always struggle to strike up a cost for their services, consider what you earn now and do that job, perhaps on an hourly rate you could go in with that, but really it depends on what they expect from you.
richard2233 Posted October 13, 2009 Author Posted October 13, 2009 Thank you, I think you are right, I will have to clarify these bits up. Thanks again people.
freak Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 I usually charge depending on the type of website they want. For exampe If it's just a bunch of static pages I'll charge less, but if they want dynamic pages such as custom upload scripts or CMS type utilities, I charge more as it takes longer to code. When you have the base charge sorted, figure out an amount to charge for each page / hour you work on it. My friend once adivised me to charge a little more than what you'd expect to be paid for it, if working for a company. I never charge charities/non-profit though I agree with kmount, as I made the mistake of not checking what a company actually wanted from me and ended up being the webmaster of the site for about 5 months, doing page updates, CMS upgrades, moderating etc. Wasn't worth it, I just wanted to create the site! You have to draw a line.
richard2233 Posted October 13, 2009 Author Posted October 13, 2009 Thanks Freak, Some good advice, One more thing if anyone can help... I know this is slightly off topic but how does it work with the tax man if Im currently working full time for another company then I do take this job on in my spare time?
freak Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 I believe you have to register as self employed. More info here
FN-GM Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 I believe you have to register as self employed. More info here you dont if you dont earn more than a few thousand, so in this case you wont 1
freak Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 Thanks for the correction But I thought that his full time employment would count towards this? Otherwise, I smell a loop hole!
FN-GM Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 Thanks for the correction But I thought that his full time employment would count towards this? Otherwise, I smell a loop hole! No they are counted as 2 separate sources of income. You wont need to declare the website as you will be within the limit
freak Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 No they are counted as 2 separate sources of income. You wont need to declare the website as you will be within the limit Wow I didn't know that, certainly makes things easier. Thanks for this mate you've just saved me from quite a lot of headaches
apoth0r Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 I'm sorry but I don't believe that is the case, the threshold is a total amount you are 'allowed' before tax, if he is working full time his tax will be calculated to use up that amount thus any additional income would fall outside of this threshold and would need to declare it. Be careful you don't get yourselves into trouble!
richard2233 Posted October 13, 2009 Author Posted October 13, 2009 By looking at the Tax website, It looks like I would have to register myself as a business as I am suppling good and / or services, and as my overall earnings are over 6k a year I would have to fill out a self eval tax form each year. Also I would have to pay NI of £2.20 a week through direct deb. I think I have that right??
FN-GM Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 I'm sorry but I don't believe that is the case, the threshold is a total amount you are 'allowed' before tax, if he is working full time his tax will be calculated to use up that amount thus any additional income would fall outside of this threshold and would need to declare it. Be careful you don't get yourselves into trouble! Not according to my accountant friend as they would count as 2 separate lots of books. Anyway does it matter? Im sure they have much bigger fish to fry.
freak Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 I'm sorry but I don't believe that is the case, the threshold is a total amount you are 'allowed' before tax, if he is working full time his tax will be calculated to use up that amount thus any additional income would fall outside of this threshold and would need to declare it. Be careful you don't get yourselves into trouble! Damn, this is what I thought. You raised my hopes and dashed them quite expertly FN-GM Otherwise you could do loads of seperate unlrelated jobs all earning under the threshhold, and not be taxed, correct?
FN-GM Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 Another way round can be that the money is a gift. They cant Tax you on that if it is under £5,000 at a time
bertster Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 You will ned to complete a Tax return. If you have any income that is not taxed at source, like rents or freelance earnings, you need to complete a tax return. It cant be paid to you as a 'GIFT' as suggested by someone in previous post as you are supplying a service. All earned income must be declared. Additionally all items purchased for the provision of the service you are supplying can be offset against the income to reduce the Tax liability. (i.e. software, computer, travel expenses etc) -keep good and accurate records! To be a sole trader, a partner, or a member of a limited liability partnership as an individual rather than a company, you must be self-employed - and registered as such with HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC). This does not mean that you can't also do other work as an employee, but the work you do for your own business must be done on a self-employed basis.
richard2233 Posted October 13, 2009 Author Posted October 13, 2009 :DThank you all for your comments. Based upon that I have rejected the job. Too much faff for me just to do it for one school as a side line. :DTHANKS AGAIN EVERYONE!
apoth0r Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 FN-GM, that would be the case if you were registered as a UK limited company, but unfortunately not for self-employed purposes. You are accountable for all money going in and out of your bank account and so the tax lands on you. I wouldn't even attempt to cheat the system just because it wouldn't be worth it
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