paul mckenna

[Little-Miss]

I dont drink it that often cus it actually tastes like *h*t. It's more of a craving thing.

 

I obviously need to train my brain that i dont need the stuff!....

 

Unfortunately im a bit of a wierdo and find it hard to drink water on its own, quite honestly i dont drink enough...

[ninjabeaver]

I agree, and its so damn addictive. They put it into everything which pretty bad since if you cook it, it breaks down into some really nasty stuff.

 

Then again, that wonder sweetener is worth billions each year. They spend a lot of money in making the public believe that they will loose weight by using something that will help them gain weight. As with anything, ask yourself where's the money at?

 

On a related note, I have found myself not putting sugar on my breakfast now. Going from a heaped desert spoon to nowt in two weeks, but here's the kicker, It tastes just as sweet. Go figure.

 

 

Oh and I'm better off by £50 plus a month.! w00t!

 

The sweet taste returning is you taste buds and palate returning. IT's great init. The only thing I need to stop now is cooking with salt.

 

I'm just looking at my drink here. It's still water with a apple flavour in it. Got all those sweeteners in it as well. It's everywhere.

[Little-Miss]

yeah will give that a go...

[ICT_GUY]

I dont drink it that often cus it actually tastes like *h*t. It's more of a craving thing.

 

I obviously need to train my brain that i dont need the stuff!....

 

Unfortunately im a bit of a wierdo and find it hard to drink water on its own, quite honestly i dont drink enough...

 

Funny thing is I love water. But when I was drinking Pop I would just not drink water at all. Even though it tasted pretty bad, I would just drink pop and nothing else.

 

I'm on my third pint of water today. Stranger still, I have only been to the loo once, not the 3 - 4 times I would have done if I had been drinking pop.

[JJonas]

Little-Miss: have you tried a water filter?

[Little-Miss]

Funny thing is I love water. But when I was drinking Pop I would just not drink water at all. Even though it tasted pretty bad, I would just drink pop and nothing else.

 

I'm on my third pint of water today. Stranger still, I have only been to the loo once, not the 3 - 4 times I would have done if I had been drinking pop.

 

Well, ive just realised i havent drank anything today, so i've been over the road and bought a bottle of water.....its ice cold so its a bit better. I know it sounds stupid, but i am determined to finish it today. It's only 500ml, but thats a big thing for me...

[Little-Miss]

Little-Miss: have you tried a water filter?

 

Like one of those jugs? Does that help? I cant stand tap water...

[JJonas]

yes it helps. tastes a lot more like bottled water

[ICT_GUY]

yes it helps. tastes a lot more like bottled water

 

Makes cheap vodka taste like expensive vodka too!

[Little-Miss]

Makes cheap vodka taste like expensive vodka too!

 

Think i saw that on TV at some point....might have been Mythbusters...

[Guest Guest]

Really? You cant learn something you didn't know from a book?

 

I didnt say you cant learn anything from a book

 

My point is; did you want to lose weight? I bet you did, therefore you lost it. If you didnt want to lose weight and it was just the wife telling you to, there is no book in the world which would make you lose it.

 

My honest opinion is that based on the fact that the vast majority of people on diets/members of weight watchers/etc still remain on a diet/member of weight watchers/etc many years down the line is that its 100% down to you. Taking a defeatist attitude of "i comfort eat, but then i get fatter so i eat some more" is irrelivent and really boils down to the fact they cant really want to lose weight that much. They may say they want to but if they did, they would.

 

Also, when does a "diet" become your normal eating habits? Because as soon as people stop their "diet" and go back to their old eating habbits the weight piles back on. Therefore i submit that in fact (aprt from losing a few pounds temporalery for a holday etc) that their isnt such thing as a "diet", just a change to your normal eating habits. (If you get what i mean lol)

Edited January 14, 2009 by Guest

[tech_guy]

Anybody else think that Alan Carr is an irritating little twerp?

[teejay]

My thing was High Juice orange squash, used to drink 1-2 litres of the stuff diluted every day. Changed to just water with the occaisional juice and it's made a big difference.

 

As for water filters/bottled water, all a complete con and waste of money. Just fill a bottle with water the night before and stick it in the fridge overnight and it will taste fine.

[tech_guy]

The town I work in has such awful tasting water - so metallic - that if I drink too much of it I feel ill. No amount of filtering makes it taste better. It's vile.

[Little-Miss]

Yeah Brum has Welsh water. My bf says its the best! lol My friends water in Frome/Bath is awful!

 

Again i think the tap water thing is in my head...

[ninjabeaver]

I didnt say you cant learn anything from a book

 

My point is; did you want to lose weight? I bet you did, therefore you lost it. If you didnt want to lose weight and it was just the wife telling you to, there is no book in the world which would make you lose it.

 

My honest opinion is that based on the fact that the vast majority of people on diets/members of weight watchers/etc still remain on a diet/member of weight watchers/etc many years down the line is that its 100% down to you. Taking a defeatist attitude of "i comfort eat, but then i get fatter so i eat some more" is irrelivent and really boils down to the fact they cant really want to lose weight that much. They may say they want to but if they did, they would.

 

Also, when does a "diet" become your normal eating habits? Because as soon as people stop their "diet" and go back to their old eating habbits the weight piles back on. Therefore i submit that in fact (aprt from losing a few pounds temporalery for a holday etc) that their isnt such thing as a "diet", just a change to your normal eating habits. (If you get what i mean lol)

 

So basically what you are saying is that you must want to re-program your brain / mental attitude to change your eating habits and thus in the long term lose the weight and keep the weight off?

 

That's bascially what WW does. It teaches you to make small but good changed to your diet. The WW membership even becomes free when you reach your goal weight as they want you to stay healthy.

[tech_guy]

The water may come from Wales and taste great but it's what the muppets at the water company do to it when it reaches the pumping stations. The stuff they add to it and alll that.

[ICT_GUY]

I didnt say you cant learn anything from a book

 

My point is; did you want to lose weight? I bet you did, therefore you lost it. If you didnt want to lose weight and it was just the wife telling you to, there is no book in the world which would make you lose it.

 

My honest opinion is that based on the fact that the vast majority of people on diets/members of weight watchers/etc still remain on a diet/member of weight watchers/etc many years down the line is that its 100% down to you. Taking a defeatist attitude of "i comfort eat, but then i get fatter so i eat some more" is irrelivent and really boils down to the fact they cant really want to lose weight that much. They may say they want to but if they did, they would.

 

Also, when does a "diet" become your normal eating habits? Because as soon as people stop their "diet" and go back to their old eating habbits the weight piles back on. Therefore i submit that in fact (aprt from losing a few pounds temporalery for a holday etc) that their isnt such thing as a "diet", just a change to your normal eating habits. (If you get what i mean lol)

 

The majority of over weight people want to loose weight, for health and vanity reasons. I am over weight because I don't stop eating when I have had enough. The reason for this is that I have been eating very quickly and automatically. Also there has been a lot of guilt attached to food.

 

Two weeks later and the only real change (apart form pop) is the speed at which I eat. That and asking myself "Am I hungry?" If i am then I eat something, slowly whilst concentrating on the act of eating. I don't shovel food into my mouth without thinking.

 

That is not a diet and yet I am loosing weight. I would guess at least 6lbs so far. This would be considered a crash diet, at least if I was starving myself which I am not.

 

The other thing you are not allowed to do is weigh yourself, if you must only at 2 week intervals. Simply because our weight can fluctuate by 5 - 6 lbs on a daily basis and if you get obsessed by your weight then putting on a couple of pounds will adversely affect the kind of day you have. Beating your self up for not having enough will power, starving yourself or binging on food because of any number of negative emotions.

Edited January 14, 2009 by ICT_GUY

[Guest Guest]

The majority of over weight people want to loose weight, for health and vanity reasons.

 

The majority of smoker "want" to pack in but they dont. What it actually boils down to is they know they should but they dont actually want to.

I "want" to emmigrate to canada but it isnt going to happen, because i dont really want to.

 

I guess a good way of explaining it is theres the "want" to achieve the end goal, and theres the "want" to do something about it. Everyone has goals, losing weight, packing in smoking, getting to the top of the ladder, they are all the same. Its all about the "want" to do what is nessesery to achieve these goals that matters, not the actual goal itself.

[ICT_GUY]

The majority of smoker "want" to pack in but they dont. What it actually boils down to is they know they should but they dont actually want to.

I "want" to emmigrate to canada but it isnt going to happen, because i dont really want to.

 

I guess a good way of explaining it is theres the "want" to achieve the end goal, and theres the "want" to do something about it. Everyone has goals, losing weight, packing in smoking, getting to the top of the ladder, they are all the same. Its all about the "want" to do what is nessesery to achieve these goals that matters, not the actual goal itself.

 

Not quite,

No matter how much I might want something, if I don't have the knowledge to make what I want happen then it will be impossible for me to do so.

 

The whole idea that you are fat because you don't want to be thin bad enough is just the sort of ignorant beliefs that make overweight people feel ever more depressed about themselves and just re-enforces the negative stereo types held by themselves and others. You are fat because you are lazy and greedy.

 

I hate being over weight, it negatively impacts every aspect of my life. There is nothing at all I want more than to be a healthy weight. I have felt completely helpless for most of my life, as every time I have dieted I have hit a brick wall and piled on even more weight. It has never been about "want" it has been about not having the control over what I was eating and why.

 

I can not emphasise enough the impact of just taking my time over eating my food has had on me. As an example. the other night I woke up in the middle of the night, feeling quite alarmed because I thought my stomach was missing. I was so used to feeling bloated and stuffed at night time that it actually shocked me to feel otherwise. All without counting a single calorie.

[Quackers]

So basically what you are saying is that you must want to re-program your brain / mental attitude to change your eating habits and thus in the long term lose the weight and keep the weight off?

 

That's bascially what WW does. It teaches you to make small but good changed to your diet. The WW membership even becomes free when you reach your goal weight as they want you to stay healthy.

 

Last time i new WW made you control and keep track of what your eating instead of listening to your body's hunger signals. Do you no longer have to use point counting? or eat those vile diet/low fat options?

[Little-Miss]

No, you can still point count, but they also have another type without the counting, free foods and stuff. They concentrate a lot on "training" you now as well.

[browolf]

one of my ex's was so anti-tap water she'd would only drink distilled water. she bought a somewhat expensive machine that made it overnight. she was also a raw vegan for a while. despite the craziness of such a thing, to me she seem hugely more of sound body and mind than she was before that and this is someone that had a lot of problems including some mental health ones. even the dentist said her teeth were unusually better than previously. Unfortunately the amount of willpower needed for such an endevour is astronomical and she couldnt keep it up.

 

even though raw vegan is too extreme for me, it still highlights the fact anything processed is unlikely to be much "good" for you.

 

I used to have a m8 in pharmaceuticals, he never drank coke or pepsi on the grounds he knew what the "stuff" in it was, in a kind of, you'd have to be mad to drink that stuff, way

[browolf]

Not quite,

No matter how much I might want something, if I don't have the knowledge to make what I want happen then it will be impossible for me to do so.

 

not knowing, these days, is a whole lot less of an excuse than it used to be....I mean look it up on the net, maybe you have to look up some other things first/aswell, then buy a book about it on amazon!

 

I probably need to eat slower, same thing just shovel it in dont know when Im full. I tend to eat good 4 u stuff so the impact of such actions is probably less than it might otherwise be.

 

but the answers arent always what you do but how you do them.

 

sometimes the simplest things have the greatest impact. like putting cigarettes out of reach, the need to have one is outweighed by the need not be distracted (having to go and get one) from whatever else you might be doing at the time. I call this "leverage".

 

sometimes its hard to figure out whats really the root because you're distracted by other things at the same time. like watching tv whilst eating, its easy to fall into a trance with the TV and not be paying attention to the feelings occuring in ones own body.

Edited January 14, 2009 by browolf

[ninjabeaver]

Last time i new WW made you control and keep track of what your eating instead of listening to your body's hunger signals. Do you no longer have to use point counting? or eat those vile diet/low fat options?

 

Yeah, it's still a points based system, but they also ask you to track your hunger and have a great range of snack items. There's also a shed full of 0 point foods like tomatos and some soups.

 

@LittleMiss - They shelved the core plan as no one seemed to be taking it up and are now pushing the Filling Foods line.