Mark_VdB82 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Hi all, Just wondering what others do in terms of looking at KS3 progress and target setting? we run a 2 year KS3, so students begin KS4 in year 9 I produce progress figures in terms of levels/sub-levels from starting point but what is the best way to demonstrate progress at KS3 as there isnt a set guide like there is for KS2-4 but obviously with teh new ofsted framework we have to demonstrate progress being made by all. Also with KS3 targets; does anyone else run a 2 year KS3 and as such have to set targets for 2 years rather than the traditional 3 Mark
NormalDistribution Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 We took the expected progress percentage from KS2-KS4 nationally and just rolled it back to fit KS3. So for example KS2-KS4 maths expected (3 levels+) progress is 68%, so we said that whilst students might have more aspirational targets, that is the proportion that we want making 2 levels progress over the 2 years. 68% probably wouldn't be suitable for a 3 year KS3 but for a two year KS3 it is probably OK, especially as it is cut to whole levels i.e. 4As have to reach at least 6C. We haven't been inspected on the new framework, but at least (i feel) it is something based on national figures - albeit for a different measure. Then it can be applied accross all different subjects (as these figs. are available in the transistion matrices) and also down to sub-levels. i.e. in maths we are looking for 75% of 4Cs to make two levels, 41% of 3Cs etc. This I accept is not perfect, and the methodolgy would not stand up in court. But there's nothing else out there. I do feel it suits a 2 year KS3 better than it would a 3 year. In terms of actual student targets, we set them on a sliding scale with the aim to ensure that all students make 3LP by the end of KS4, but with the higher ability student set more aspirationally to reach 4 or 5 Levels KS2-KS4.
pingleby Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Across KS2-4 all our students are targeted 4 or 5 LP. For our 3 year KS3 we currently say 2 whole levels, but this isn't really enough in my opinion. We should be targeting 7 sublevels I think.
Bev Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 We are a middle school, so we do 2 years of KS2, and they do Y9 in a high school. We tend to work from FFTD estimates for KS3, but they aren't always high enough. I have been told we should be looking for 12 points of progress in KS3, which is 2 whole levels. in maths we are looking for 75% of 4Cs to make two levels, 41% of 3Cs etc. Where do you find the sliding percentages, or is that something you've calculated. It makes sense to me that the lower levels will make less progress, but I've never seen that anywhere, the assumption seems to be everyone should make 12 points, regardless of ability which is unrealistic.
NormalDistribution Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 In the RAISEonline report - perhaps because you are a middle school you don't see the data because it is for KS2 to KS4. Instead if you go onto the RAISEonline website click - library then transistion matrices you can get an excel version of the grids.
Ecclesbury Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Blimey pingleby, you must have some seriously aspirational targets! I work at a pretty high performing state school (84% ACEM last year) and we would get nowhere near those kind of targets. I think it's important for a school to factor in their own historic performance into their target setting procedure, particularly at KS3 where everything is a bit 'wooley.' Since the KS4 results are more rigorous, it is worth looking at those cohorts that achieved well and see what their position was at the end of KS3. This position can form the basis for cohort level targets. Similarly, if standards are slipping at KS4, have a look at the equivalent KS3 positions and adjust targets upwards. I'm a big fan of the JESSON style target setting which sets concrete group level targets, but leaves the individual student targets setting in the hands of the classroom teacher.
timetableman Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 We have a 3 year KS3 and 2 year KS4. We are planning (we have modelled the outcomes on previous students to see if it is a "fair target") which suggests for KS2-L3 they make 3 levels of Progress (LoP), KS2-L4 4 levels and KS2-L5 5 levels, if they don't make these figures we would end up with a negative VA, which is our schools curse! In doing this our 3LoP must make 1 2/3 in Ks3, 4LoP must make 2, and 5LoP must make 2 2/3, our modelling suggests this is very aspirational at KS4, but "high-but fair" at KS4. For English, Maths and Science we use the relevant KS2 subject, but for other subjects we use an average of all 3 subjects, we used used to exclude Maths as it gave a very high estimate, but without it, we had very very borderline VA.
NormalDistribution Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 These are our targets, we run a 2 year KS3. I'm not absolutely certain I'm happy with them at the moment but we'll see: [TABLE=width: 351] [TR] [TD]KS2 Sub Level[/TD] [TD]KS3 Target Sub Level[/TD] [TD]GCSE Target Grade[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]W[/TD] [TD]1A[/TD] [TD]G[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]1C[/TD] [TD]2C[/TD] [TD]F[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]1B[/TD] [TD]2B[/TD] [TD]F[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]1A[/TD] [TD]2A[/TD] [TD]F[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2C[/TD] [TD]3B[/TD] [TD]E[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2B[/TD] [TD]3A[/TD] [TD]E[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2A[/TD] [TD]4C[/TD] [TD]E[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3C[/TD] [TD]4B[/TD] [TD]D[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3B[/TD] [TD]4A[/TD] [TD]D[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3A[/TD] [TD]5C[/TD] [TD]C[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]4C[/TD] [TD]5A[/TD] [TD]C[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]4B[/TD] [TD]6C[/TD] [TD]C[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]4A[/TD] [TD]6A[/TD] [TD]B[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]5C[/TD] [TD]7C[/TD] [TD]B[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]5B[/TD] [TD]7A[/TD] [TD]A[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]5A[/TD] [TD]7A[/TD] [TD]A*[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6C[/TD] [TD]7A[/TD] [TD]A*[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6B[/TD] [TD]7A[/TD] [TD]A*[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6A[/TD] [TD]7A[/TD] [TD]A*[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
Mark_VdB82 Posted April 15, 2013 Author Posted April 15, 2013 Thanks for all the responses/input, its most useful. Given me plenty to think about and how i can use progress based ks4 targets and somehow roll back to get a ks3 target, 5/6 sub levels seems to be about right for ks23-3 progress and fairly aspirational - adjust slightly for high ability students allowing them to aspire to the top levels.
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