David Davis 'is to resign as MP'

[sparkeh]

The Tories are not putting a candidate up. Davis is standing as an independent.

 

Sorry but you are completely wrong. He is standing as a Tory candidate.

 

Read the last question here

[mattx]

Pocket change compared to the current war 'effort', he tried to accelerate the end game of getting Britain into Europe but it didn't work out.

 

And that makes it ok does it ?

Not only was 4.5 Billion lost - many people lost their houses too. It's a classic case of people making decisions on matters in which they have NO knowledge about.

[Andrew_C]

Can I ask, and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here, "How many of the above posters actually remember what life was like under the Tories?"

 

Personally, I loath the way we run this country at quite a fundamental level. I concede that we need robust examination of what the gov. of the day are doing, and detailed examination of any legislation proposed. However, when it comes to voting, I feel it should all be down to individual conscience. I vote for an individual, who should not be forced to vote for legislation he/she feels to be repugnant.

[mattx]

Can I ask, and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here, "How many of the above posters actually remember what life was like under the Tories?"

 

I don't think many of them are old enough to remember Andrew. Problem I have, is that I do !!

[torledo]

Can I ask, and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here, "How many of the above posters actually remember what life was like under the Tories?"

 

 

what i DO remeber is in the run up to the 92 election and indeed the 87 election for that matter, the stick used to beat the labour party by the tories was ....'remember what it was like when labour were last in power'... in 92 it mattered not that the winter of discontent, strike action, power cuts had infact happened some 14 years earlier the recollection of the bad periods during the last labour administratoin were too much to bear for some people.

 

As a result a deeply unpopular tory govt. got in by the skin of it's teeth due to the 'better the devil you know' thinking of the electorate.

 

Fast forward to 1994 and it took a PR exercise for labour to dispel the stigma of economic incompetence (on the surface atleast). By the time of the next election black wednesday will also be an event that happened some 17 years previous !!!, voting for what life was previously like is not a justification. Just as labour were a different party in 92 to the one in the early 70's, the tories can justifiably argue they are not the same party....under Ken Clarke the stewardship of the economy in the last years of the tory govt. was actually very sound. He passed on a very healthy economy to Brown, unfortunately that is all too easily forgotten by those who prefer to remeber black wednesday and those who like to think the 'nice decade' was architectured entirely by the decisions of gordon brown.

 

I seriously think that people should stop drinking from the labour kool-aid. I belive if they get into power next year or whenever the election is it'll be like 92 all over again, within a few years they'll have past being fedup they'll thoroughly detest the sight of neu labour and the tories will win a landslide in 2014 with boris at the helm. Labour scraping it at the next election is just delaying the inevitable implosion later on down the line.

[mattx]

He passed on a very healthy economy to Brown

 

Shame he didn't pass on a very healthy health system, edcuation system and overall healthy country then......

What I remember of when the Tories were in office:

 

Unemployment

Family and pensioner poverty

A failing health service

10% inflation - [ Labour catching up quick !! ]

15 per cent interest rates

1.5 million in negative equity - [ again, Labour catching up quick ]

250,000 mortgage repossessions

Selling off of the family silver

Poll tax

 

Hang on, Labour will soon have that list too !!

[torledo]

Shame he didn't pass on a very healthy health system, edcuation system and overall healthy country then......

What I remember of when the Tories were in office:

 

Unemployment

Family and pensioner poverty

A failing health service

10% inflation - [ Labour catching up quick !! ]

15 per cent interest rates

1.5 million in negative equity - [ again, Labour catching up quick ]

250,000 mortgage repossessions

Selling off of the family silver

Poll tax

 

Hang on, Labour will soon have that list too !!

 

as you point out, labour is hardly doing very well on those things you mentioned - especially when it comes to selling off the family silver, in gordon browns case the gold....

 

...but i would like to point out that Ken Clarke did not leave 15% and 10% interest rates and inflation.....interest rates were something like 6.5% in 1996 and inflation was 2.5%....seeing as interest rates and inflation have been there or thereabouts with 1996 figures over the last 12 months (taking into account rates peaking at 5.75%) then tell me what's different about today than it was in 1996....oh yeah, civil liberties being eroded and the creation of thousands of paper millionaires through skyrocketing housing values...neither of which has stopped the gap between rich and poor form actually widening.

 

I think it's about people remembering 15% interest rates and the ERM fiasco rather than understanding where the economy was really heading 1994 onwards. selective amnesia.

 

our public services have been a bottomless pit of waste and mismanagement, so labours minor successes are very hollow victories. Shame the wealth wasn't better utilised by aiding social mobility...but there you have it, people who voted for labour in 2003 knew full well they were voting for even more billions to be flushed down the toilet.

[mattx]

oh yeah, civil liberties being eroded and the creation of thousands of paper millionaires through skyrocketing housing values...neither of which has stopped the gap between rich and poor form actually widening.

 

All govs over the last 30 years or so have been slowing eating away at civil liberties. And of course top of the list is the nation ID card which the Tories also want. [ I can't remember the lib dems stance on this, if they have one !! ]

During the Tory boom and bust years paper millionaires were made - there will always be people out to make a quick buck when they can.

As for public services - again when will govs realise you cannot run some of these to try and make a profit - other countries have leant and yes money does get flushed down the toilet - but at least they actually run !!

I sometimes think we have it bad, but then I think at least I can go into a voting booth and stick a cross on a bit of paper without a gun to my head.....

[Friez]

The move by David Davis is more than a mere publicity stunt, it's a pretty devious political move.

 

By doing what he has instantly everyone is going 'What is Labours move going to be?'.

Will they stand against him? Or will they not even bother standing? Whatever their move, they will be wide open to criticism.

 

Whatever his motives, this is a powerful political statement and I agree with his sentiments about the 42 day thing. Roll on year-long detentions, no wait, infinite detentions without needing to give ANY reason whatsoever.

 

To any moron who thinks this will protect you. It won't. It's a big illusion, to make you feel nice and secure. I just hope that later today they see you, think you're mightily suspicious and arrest you for no reason whatsoever. Anyone who thinks that you have any human rights: you don't.

 

Maybe we can spice this up a little? Re-introduce torture as a viable interogation technique, and bring back the death penalty. Hell, why even bother with courts at all too? Lets go wild!

Edited June 13, 2008 by Friez

[mattx]

The whole 42 day thing is political suicide for Brown and his Gov, just like the poll tax was for the Tories.

Anyone with me for nailing a copy of the Magna Carta on number 10 ?

[Friez]

The whole 42 day thing is political suicide for Brown and his Gov, just like the poll tax was for the Tories.

Anyone with me for nailing a copy of the Magna Carta on number 10 ?

 

Can we nail it to Gordon Brown instead?

[somabc]

Sorry but you are completely wrong. He is standing as a Tory candidate.

 

Read the last question here

 

 

But he already is the Tory MP!

 

Sorry I took it that as the Conservative party will not pay for his campaign that he will not represent them? It seems very strange to select a candidate but have them pay all their own costs? Why don't the Conservative party pay his expenses if they agree with him taking a stand on principle? Does Cameron think the campaign is a waste of money?

 

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Edited June 13, 2008 by somabc

[cookie_monster]

as you point out, labour is hardly doing very well on those things you mentioned - especially when it comes to selling off the family silver, in gordon browns case the gold....

 

The important thing to remember is that it doesn't really matter who you vote in, it really doesn't change anything. If voting in someone else really did make a massive difference or could bring about a swinging change we wouldn't be allowed to do it

 

 

The whole 42 day thing is political suicide for Brown and his Gov, just like the poll tax was for the Tories.

Anyone with me for nailing a copy of the Magna Carta on number 10 ?

 

Where we meeting?

 

 

 

Can I ask, and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here, "How many of the above posters actually remember what life was like under the Tories?"

 

I was 20 when labour came to power, i did have an interest in politics but possibly can't appreciate fully what it was like, however i do know intelligent people who supported the tories and still do they argue that the economy was going through a tough cycle and just as labour are about to learn there really isn't much you can do. Well not spending every last penny the country has just before a recession might help.

 

 

 

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/mp-does-something-other-than-being-a-dick-200806121019/

Edited June 13, 2008 by cookie_monster

[sparkeh]

But he already is the Tory MP!

 

Sorry I took it that as the Conservative party will not pay for his campaign that he will not represent them? It seems very strange to select a candidate but have them pay all their own costs? Why don't the Conservative party pay his expenses if they agree with him taking a stand on principle? Does Cameron think the campaign is a waste of money?

 

Yes that is a good question. But then its a safe seat so perhaps they think there isn't much to worry about? If no-one stands against him then the whole thing is academic anyway.

[somabc]

It looks like all round sleazeball Kelvin McKenzie of the Sun (backed by Murdoch) will run against Davis.

 

The Sun columnist said he was approached by the paper's proprietor Rupert Murdoch and current editor Rebekah Wade who suggested he could step up to the challenge.

 

Ex-Sun man to challenge Davis | The Sun |HomePage|News

 

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_MacKenzie

 

MacKenzie was educated at Alleyn's School but little else is known about his background or early journalistic career. MacKenzie himself has said that he discovered early on in his career that he had little writing ability and that his talents lay in making up headlines and laying out pages.

 

He has been described by Piers Morgan as a man possessing a "particular form of dangerous genius".

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7453035.stm

Edited June 13, 2008 by somabc