Purchasing music for school use.

[smithson83]

We are constantly asked to download music for school use, assemblies, plays, class etc. We don't want to simply say no you can't do it, but also don't agree with schools just thinking they can just do whatever they want because "it's for school use"

 

What do you guys do, other than say it's illegal?

Is there a site we can purchase the music from that clearly allows us to use it for assemblies etc. I know of a few sites that have copyright free music for certain uses, but I'm after mainstream music.

 

Any help would be, well, helpfull.

[Meldrew]

We use this:

 

https://web.ilikemusic.com/

 

Licensing info can be found at:

https://web.ilikemusic.com/legal/licensing/

 

Just scroll down to the education use section.

 

HTH.

 

Meldrew.

[mavhc]

https://creativecommons.org/about/program-areas/arts-culture/arts-culture-resources/legalmusicforvideos/

[DrBeaker]

What concerns me is the amount of teaching staff, who think it's perfectly fine to download stuff from Youtube. Then use said content in lessons and for school things. These are the ones teaching the students.

 

What kind of lesson and ethics message is that sending out to other staff/students etc?

 

Guess it's a case of "Do as I say, not as I do" sometimes?

[smithson83]

It's precisely that view that I'm trying to chip away at... But rather than just saying no, giving them a legal alternative.

[mavhc]

https://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series after all, copyright is badly broken. Youtube does it better, let anyone upload stuff, and then let the copyright owner decide how to monetize it, or remove it. Not perfect, but an improvement

[DrBeaker]

It's precisely that view that I'm trying to chip away at... But rather than just saying no, giving them a legal alternative.

 

That's the annoying thing in our jobs - we have to say NO to be legal, compliant etc but we're the ones who get the aggro and hassle from teachers, SLT etc.

 

https://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series after all, copyright is badly broken. Youtube does it better, let anyone upload stuff, and then let the copyright owner decide how to monetize it, or remove it. Not perfect, but an improvement

 

You are bang on - there's NO simple way at current to do this for schools.

 

I wasn't around in the BECTA days, but I assume this was something they would have worked on until they were dissolved?

 

There's Youtube for Schools I've heard about but that's about it. Not everything for copyright, legal reasons etc would be available on Youtube either.

[Koldov]

Interesting point... But I think teachers get mixed messages (and who has time to go through each individual platform's trerms and conditions - oh yeah...we do of course)!

 

I'm just getting hammered with the 'Computing' Curriculum software requirements (as in "we want all this on the computers.... now").

 

However, looking at the units we are using in 'Rising Stars - Switched On Computing - We Are Musicians' and in one section it states:

 

"Discuss illegal downloading and file sharing of

copyrighted music, as well as more positive ideas,

such as collaboration, remixing and Creative

Commons licences."

 

and then directly below (my bold):

 

The use of copyrighted music recordings in

UK schools is allowed by law if used as part

of the curriculum and if no visitors are present.

A licence must be obtained for other purposes.

See https://cefm.co.uk/.

 

Discuss....

[mavhc]

Still have to buy the music first.

 

"One of the most important exceptions for education permits the use of any type of work for the purpose of teaching (or as the law puts it: ‘for the sole purpose of illustration for instruction’). This means that copyright in the work is not infringed by an individual teacher or a student as long as they are copying the work to give or receive instruction (or when preparing to give or receive instruction), and the copying is used to illustrate a point about the subject being taught"

 

"If there is no relevant licensing scheme available, then the educational establishment can rely on this exception. However, the exception only applies under certain conditions: the copy must be made for non-commercial purposes; it must be accompanied by an acknowledgement of authorship (where practical); and, no more than 5% of a work may be copied within any 12 month period."

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/375951/Education_and_Teaching.pdf

 

The previous law has been

replaced with a general “fair dealing” exception, allowing copying of works in any

medium as long as the following conditions apply:

1. the work must be used solely to illustrate a point;

2. the use of the work must not be for commercial purposes;

3. the use must be fair dealing; and

4. it must be accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement.

 

Factors that have been identified by the courts as relevant in determining

whether a particular dealing with a work is fair, include:

• Does using the work affect the market for the original work? If a use of

a work acts as a substitute for it, causing the owner to lose revenue,

then it is not likely to be fair.

• Is the amount of the work taken reasonable and appropriate? Was it

necessary to use the amount that was taken? Usually only part of a

work may be used

 

So 1. Buy the music once for your school. 2. Use the music to teach music, not for a background for your slideshow