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Windows 10 Education VS Enterprise - Response from MS

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dblight

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After several posts on other threads about the different between Windows 10 Education & Enterprise. I've created this thread so as not to hijack the others any further!

 

I pinged off an email to a few MS contacts at Reading asking what the different was between Education and Enterprise versions

 

Here is the response and I quote

 

In terms of a reference chart, the below will give the education SKU comparison – basically the same as Enterprise, but the education specific SKU enables a customer to upgrade from a home version of the OS – so if good deals can be found by schools on consumer devices then they can still move to W10 if they have a subscription licensing agreement in place.
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So no use at all unless you want to upgrade a home device to education, might as well wipe and load enterprise

 

No it means exactly the same features as Enterprise but allows schools to purchase kit with a home licence and upgrade it to Education if they have EES. That's what I have took from that??

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If you have EES you can buy devices with home and wipe and load them to Enterprise? I still fail to see that upgrading home devices to education is a perk nether can that be done through SCCM as home can't be domain joined Edited by Tefters
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If you have EES you can buy devices either home and wipe them? I still fail to see that as a perk...

 

 

So if a pc was going to cost £500 with Pro but only £400 with Home I would save money as can install Education or upgrade. However with Enterprise I couldn't upgrade Maybe more of a perk to smaller schools who don't have dedicated IT, or big orders from a cost saving perspective?

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The cost is irrelevant as you can buy the £400 home device and still have it wiped and loaded to enterprise...

 

The perk of upgrading home to education with an EES agreement is stupidly small and I mean stupidly small. Majority of schools either have an in-house tech or external company that could just take the enterprise ISO, boot off it and voila within the same amount of time as doing the upgrade have it wiped and installed from fresh with no other benefit other than saving stupid apps that come with laptops that are aimed at a home audience...

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Instead of working with schools to create a true Education version that has none of the metro apps on other then the calc and alarms because let's be honest they are the only useful ones in a majority of schools they come up with home to enterprise upgrade and no LTSB.

 

It's a spit on approach and they are trying to tout it out to the world that they have made a special education version that will help schools worldwide and make people think they are really working closely with education.

 

The Windows dev team need to take a leaf out of the Office 365 dev teams book.

Office 365 is basically free for education now for Exchange, Skype for Business and Sharepoint along with giving Office away for free to Faculty and Students.

 

Those 2 in comparison, come on... Really... It's abysmal.

 

I'll change strategy tomorrow and stick with Enterprise, hoping Microsoft will come clean and draw up a proper route for Education to follow.

 

P.S. No arguments here, just some friendly banter in what seems an idiotic play by Microsoft :-)

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You can already with SA on EES buy a laptop with Windows 7 Home Premium and deploy Windows 7/8/10 Enterprise on it.

 

It's always been one of the perks of SA.

 

OH! I see. It's not a CLEAN install of Enterprise on a home stickered machine, it's an INPLACE upgrade from Home to Enterprise. That's just assinie. Only small schools with no IT team or external support will benefit from this, and even then I doubt they'd run an in place upgrade they'd just run Home edition with local accounts. I've seen it done (They have AD accounts and just use mapped drives with that account!)

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No it's not. LTSB is targeted for NHS, Government or Emergency Services. Where their systems cannot be changed at will.

 

I've asked for clarification but it is wrong. Schools don't need LTSB.

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Looking through the microsoft OVS-ES licencing guide though, it only mentions that Education Desktop with Core CAL grants access to Windows Education edition, not enterprise - therefore are we sure that we are licenced to use Enterprise? I've not really considered it to be honest as it'll still be a while before we can deploy.
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Schools don't need LTSB.

Wouldn't the LTSB be useful for Windows PCs that run digital signage software or cashless catering revaluation machines and tills?

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Wouldn't the LTSB be useful for Windows PCs that run digital signage software or cashless catering revaluation machines and tills?

 

Maybe but that's not what it's designed for apparently. Cashless catering machines and tills may use LTSB from now on maybe? I don't know, ours is Vericool so they deal with all that. Our digital signage screens have windows update turned off.

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Windows Update for Business will be launching soon, so it looks like Current Branch updates for Education can be managed through that eventually. In the meantime WSUS can stop Current Branch updates. Though both cannot stop indefinitely.
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I wonder if you have education and updates set to manual via GPO or denied in WSUS if updates are still forced? The big worry is a update breaks a mission critical piece of software.
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There are different branches, advanced for Insiders, Current for normal home users, Delayed for Business (aka let the home users get the updates first and hit the issues) then there's LTSB.

 

People need to get out of the habit of waiting months/years before deploying updates as it's more of a security risk nowadays and is a stupid old school approach.

 

If you have the correct procedures in place then if a update does come down with issues you should be able to revert pretty quickly with very small impact.

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So what are people deploying with at the moment?

 

I've downloaded Enterprise as it stands (not LTSB), is Education likely to ever get any specific goodies or is it solely being targeted as a licensing SKU rather than a product \ technical one?

 

The Windows dev team need to take a leaf out of the Office 365 dev teams book.

Office 365 is basically free for education now for Exchange, Skype for Business and Sharepoint along with giving Office away for free to Faculty and Students.

 

As much as I like 365 and the goodies we get in truth MS have only been generous with O365 because of the competing Google Apps offering. Remember the original free for students, paid for staff line and also charging for iPad apps until only recently.

 

There's a similar silly situation going on with the EMS Suite that's only just come down to a sensible price; however the offering of "pay for staff, free for students" only covers the InTune half of the suite but not Azure AD Premium which has a silly per-user cost attached for students. That killed our interest stone dead and apparently many other institutions have said the same.

 

Hoping these oddities will get sorted as having seen Google's latest pitch they're tailoring a lot of their products for education and taking market share so MS will have to keep giving more away to compete - which is only a good thing for us :cool:

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So what are people deploying with at the moment?

 

I've downloaded Enterprise as it stands (not LTSB), is Education likely to ever get any specific goodies or is it solely being targeted as a licensing SKU rather than a product \ technical one?

 

We aren't doing any real deployment here until next year, we will probably be doing education but it really depends on what Microsoft do with it. Currently I'm just comparing the two on VMs to see if there are any other noticeable differences, so far there's nothing that I can see except the watermark and LTSB. You still get all the default apps regardless of version.

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We are going to use Education. We do not know yet if Microsoft are planning something specific for the Education version later on. Maybe they won't but Enterprise doesn't offer any difference.
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I'm deploying it to our Windows tablets as 8.1 was a right pain with its insistence on Microsoft accounts, downloaded Education as well yesterday so in light of the above may give it a go first.
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If your using Education then you have to do the traditional wipe and load approach.

 

I'm going Enterprise as I want to upgrade machines for ease. Education is looking to be just a SKU

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