Arthur Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Is the 840 pro better than the 840 Evo The 840 Pro is better, but it's not a 250GB SSD. It's 256GB! The Evo is also cheaper than the 840 and 840 Pro... [b]840[/b] (250GB): [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009LI7C9Y"]£137.99[/url] [b]840 Evo[/b] (250GB): [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00E391OX6"]£133.30[/url] [b]840 Pro[/b] (256GB): [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009LI7CTY"]£162.99[/url]
sonofsanta Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Don't bother with the GTX 760 - an AMD 7970 is only £30-£40 more at the moment (selling them off cheap just before they're replaced) and much more powerful, will last you better - particularly with 3GB of VRAM. £228 @ OverClockers Asus HD 7970 DirectCU II TOP 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **FREE SHIPPING** [90-C1CRM1-U0UAY0BZ] (and now I'm annoyed, that's the card I wanted a month ago but it was £50 more than that at the time so I got a 680)
Sunnyknight Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Some of us like raw power! Trying playing GW2 on max, or bf3 on max in a 64 man map with some of the specs above. I could even say Metro on max, but that'd just be silly xD It just doe' 'appen. Will agree with @sonofsanta on the 7970 over the 760 though.
ICTDirect_Dave Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Before you choose a card I'd decide what games you most want to play. For example BF3 is optimised to take full advantage of CUDA & PhysX in the nVidia cards and will perform better because of it. The question is do you like @Sunnyknight require everything to function on full spec on the most demanding maps? Or like the rest of us will you be happy being able to blow some heads off strangers without seeing every single pixel of gore splatter across the locale? My system sees me fine for Rome2 & Skyrim with the graphics set at max or close to max. I've not had troubles online in a while either.
Sunnyknight Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Before you choose a card I'd decide what games you most want to play. For example BF3 is optimised to take full advantage of CUDA & PhysX in the nVidia cards and will perform better because of it. The question is do you like @Sunnyknight require everything to function on full spec on the most demanding maps? Or like the rest of us will you be happy being able to blow some heads off strangers without seeing every single pixel of gore splatter across the locale? My system sees me fine for Rome2 & Skyrim with the graphics set at max or close to max. I've not had troubles online in a while either. I want to see every damn drop splatter onto my screen and around on the floor!!! I get your point, but again, just throwing out my opinion
Sirbendy Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Honestly, you'd cringe at my home rig. Heh. 2gb RAM AMD X2 3800+ @2ghz Nvidia something or other card (bought for Doom3) 80gb Hard disk (non SSD) DVD Lightscribe burner. Just inherited the missus old Vostro 1000 - very similar spec..heh. They do what I need, they play Doom3 and all the older games I like (if I ever get time to play them). As long as they can play the new Carmageddon when it's released, it's all good.
Flatpackhamster Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 @Sunnyknight is, as ever, overegging the situation enormously you could build an entirely competent PC - i.e. at least the equal of a PS4/XBone, likely greater - for around £600-£700. It may not be the most ridiculous of ridiculous hyper-threaded turbo-boosted hex-core monstrosities with a seven billion transistor GPU hanging out of its PCI-E slot, but you'd get 80-90% the performance for 50% the price in most games - not that anything over 60fps means a damn on most monitors. You could probably do it for less if you have a Windows licence to hand, a case to put it in, a decent monitor to hook it up to... Depends how much you want to spend, really. But they're nothing like as expensive as they were when you made your last machine, looking at your spec. Agree. You don't need to go mad on the system. The key things are - good case, good power supply, good motherboard. Lob a cheaper processor in this year and put in a better one in 18 months time. Same for graphics card. Memory is cheap. Skip the SSD for now and get a conventional 7200RPM drive and upgrade when you're ready and can afford it.
sonofsanta Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Agree. You don't need to go mad on the system. The key things are - good case, good power supply, good motherboard. Lob a cheaper processor in this year and put in a better one in 18 months time. Same for graphics card. Memory is cheap. Skip the SSD for now and get a conventional 7200RPM drive and upgrade when you're ready and can afford it. Even the motherboard is not so important as it once was, in these days of everything being brought onto the CPU die - get one from a reputable name with the ports you need, but spending hundreds on a motherboard gains you no appreciable benefits unless you're a competitive overclocker or building some kind of multi-GPU RAID monster that needs all the ports it can get. Case & PSU though, heavens yes. Never underestimate their importance.
Rawns Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Agree. You don't need to go mad on the system. The key things are - good case, good power supply, good motherboard. Lob a cheaper processor in this year and put in a better one in 18 months time. Same for graphics card. Memory is cheap. Skip the SSD for now and get a conventional 7200RPM drive and upgrade when you're ready and can afford it. I agree with all of this apart from the bit on SSD's. SSD's have come down a lot in price and until you make the switch from a 'classic' HDD to a SSD, you won't realise just how much faster they are and the jump in performance they provide. Even if you get a small SSD purely for the O/S and the likes of Office and other programs, and a separate 'classic' drive for games (ie, Steam! ). My system did not cost a huge amount and the performance I get out of my AMD CPU is really good! Plus it was a lot cheaper then some of the Intel options.
ICTDirect_Dave Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Even better, get a Z series HP workstation from me, pop a SAS Drive in there and add a second Xeon Processor & better GFX in a years time
chazzy2501 Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) PCs have a higher initial investment but after 10 games they start to work out cheaper. You've a good case and PSU a new mobo and CPU with a 2nd had £120 GFX from ebay should get you a kick arse system. "Xenon 135i" Intel Core i3 3220 3.3GHz Dual Core Home PC Bundle [Xenon135i] and PNY NVIDIA GeForce 570 GTX (1280 MB) (GMGTX57N2H12ZPB) Graphics Card 3536403339395 | eBay just examples you could get a 660TI for a little more EDIT I would recommend this card http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-170-GW&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=2379 together i3 mobo ram and this 2gb 660 gold (non-ti) £343 Edited October 8, 2013 by chazzy2501
Flatpackhamster Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 I agree with all of this apart from the bit on SSD's. SSD's have come down a lot in price and until you make the switch from a 'classic' HDD to a SSD, you won't realise just how much faster they are and the jump in performance they provide. Even if you get a small SSD purely for the O/S and the likes of Office and other programs, and a separate 'classic' drive for games (ie, Steam! ). My system did not cost a huge amount and the performance I get out of my AMD CPU is really good! Plus it was a lot cheaper then some of the Intel options. I switched from a conventional to a SSD last year and it made a huge difference. But if you're looking to save money and need the disk space - 128GB SSD for £70 or 2000GB for the platter drive - I'd go for the larger capacity. I also wouldn't go full SSD until I knew I had a surefire way of recovering my data when it borks.
LosOjos Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 I also wouldn't go full SSD until I knew I had a surefire way of recovering my data when it borks. What sure fire way do you have of recovering your data if your HDD borks?
Flatpackhamster Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 What sure fire way do you have of recovering your data if your HDD borks? Well it depends on the failure, but I've got some pretty good software for getting it back if the file system corrupts or if there's physical damage (eg laptop drive dropped). And it can be sent off to a specialist with a clean room. But IIRC when a SSD goes or when it hits its write limit, that's it and data can't be recovered.
Rawns Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Well it depends on the failure, but I've got some pretty good software for getting it back if the file system corrupts or if there's physical damage (eg laptop drive dropped). And it can be sent off to a specialist with a clean room. But IIRC when a SSD goes or when it hits its write limit, that's it and data can't be recovered. Rule 1 of EudGeek Club: Regular backups! Rule 2: See rule 1. All my personal data (docs, files, basically anything I don't want to loose) are saved to 'My Documents' which I sync daily to my NAS (which has two drives in RAID 1). Everything else is just software that can be reinstalled if my HDD borks. Edited October 8, 2013 by Rawns
LosOjos Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Well it depends on the failure, but I've got some pretty good software for getting it back if the file system corrupts or if there's physical damage (eg laptop drive dropped). And it can be sent off to a specialist with a clean room. But IIRC when a SSD goes or when it hits its write limit, that's it and data can't be recovered. File corruption is not the same as drive failure though and any software approach to recovering corrupted files ought to work just as well with an SSD as an HDD. As for physical failure, if you check out various sources online modern SSD's on average far outlive a HDD. At the end of the day, you should keep backups of anything important regardless of storage device. Can't argue with the fact that you still get a lot more storage for your money with an HDD though, I'd still say that for the vast majority of gamers an affordable SSD is only going to be big enough for your OS and programs
X-13 Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Rule 1 of EudGeek Club: Regular backups! Rule 2: See rule 1. Rule 3: Only backup what you can't easily get again. [Your backups should be quicker.]
sonofsanta Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 FWIW, recent figures reckoned that SSD failure rates were about 1.5% to HDD's 5%: SSDs do die, as Linus Torvalds just discovered - Computerworld
Rawns Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Rule 3: Only backup what you can't easily get again. [Your backups should be quicker.] ERROR! INFINITE LOOP ALERT! I read Rule 1, went to rule 2 then back to rule 1 again! How do I get to Rule 3?!
Rawns Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Can't argue with the fact that you still get a lot more storage for your money with an HDD though, I'd still say that for the vast majority of gamers an affordable SSD is only going to be big enough for your OS and programs Getting there slowly. Got £500 to spare? Samsung 1TB SSD 840 EVO - SSD only | Ebuyer.com
Sunnyknight Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Getting there slowly. Got £500 to spare? Samsung 1TB SSD 840 EVO - SSD only | Ebuyer.com Actually considering buying that over a Pci-e SSD.... £400 cheaper and more storage....
Rawns Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Actually considering buying that over a Pci-e SSD.... £400 cheaper and more storage.... £400 cheaper?! So you were looking at spending £900+ on SSD storage? You clearly have more money then sense, so why not go all out and get this: Hewlett-Packard 673648-B21 HP ioDrive2 Duo G2 IO Accelerator - Solid state drive - 2.41 TB - internal - PCI Express 2.0...
Sunnyknight Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 £400 cheaper?! So you were looking at spending £900+ on SSD storage? You clearly have more money then sense, so why not go all out and get this: Hewlett-Packard 673648-B21 HP ioDrive2 Duo G2 IO Accelerator - Solid state drive - 2.41 TB - internal - PCI Express 2.0... Haters be hating
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