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It's now or never for old sysadmins to learn new tricks.

 

Interesting article - and I think I agree with the general thrust. End point devices are becoming more 'consumer' focused requiring little or no 'IT' support, infrastructure is moving from the server room into the cloud and corporate networks are (and will) being replaced by 3/4G connections to large networks which can already support high density of users. The need for system administrators won't be entirely eliminated but where before there were teams of 4-6 people to look after a SME's servers, network & endpoints, in future that will reduce to 1 - possibly less and the skill set will be managing and integrating the corporate directory with cloud systems to retain the ease of collaboration that ownership of the employees e-identity (email, logins to sharepoint like collaborative services). The more those people specialise in tying systems together with the string of python, php, powershell, sql etc, the more employable they will be. Those who's cling rigidly to skills which we think of as "infrastructure" will be out of work in 5-10 years, even in the land of British Schools which are notoriously behind when it comes to a senior management appreciation of technology.

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Predictions like this were being made some years ago too, though that doesn't mean these can't be right.

 

Personally I find it depressing in the extreme...

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I can't see a point EVER where End User and Second Line support is not required - no system is foolproof and people will ALWAYS ask questions - mostly because no-one ever reads the manuals.
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The sysadmin role isn't support though, or shouldn't mainly involve support anyway (we live in hope).

 

To be honest I've had these worries for as long as people have been banging on about the cloud. I appreciate its benefits but frankly putting an infrastructure together, designing a system, integrating services and etc is something that, as a sysadmin, *I* enjoy doing and wanted to do for my career. Then I get accused of standing in the way of progress and advised to take my skills to a datacentre... but we all know there won't be anywhere near as many of those jobs going.

 

In fact, if you watch for about a minute and a half from 7:00 of this video, Kirk and McCoy do a very good job of summing up pretty much how I (and many others I know) feel about the cloud (context: someone wants to install a computer on the Enterprise that would do most of Kirk+crew's jobs):

 

Star Trek: Playing At God (2/12) - YouTube

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I can't see a point EVER where End User and Second Line support is not required - no system is foolproof and people will ALWAYS ask questions - mostly because no-one ever reads the manuals.

 

Sure, but think of how that works with consumer devices. Apple do provide support but how many support people are there per apple customer. Those ratio's will become more the norm.

 

Funny it says most people will be generalist well in school we been that for years.

 

We are and we aren't. Private sector work tends to be more focused, so someone will specialise in looking after a large companies email system and never touch the web server or network switches. In schools we spread ourselves thinner but we are still today dealing with technology that won't exist in future. Whatever the change, change itself is inevitable and teh pace of change is (IMO) accelerating.

 

I think what is underestimated is the work involved in "Dev-Ops". A lot of my work over the years both in "consultancy", software development and operations had been stringing systems together - marshalling data from one incompatible system and format to another. Large, monolithic provision of functionality like Google Apps is enticing because provision is cheap. But if every business has the same engine, what differentiates business and what gives them the edge. That's where I think we will find our work and I think there will be a lot of it.

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Absolutely. A lot of people like to believe they are the innovators and we're just here to do the technical bit to make it all work, and that can be true, but we all know it can work the other way round as well. It's very true that the IT Department will often have a broader overview of the entire organisation than some (though not all) senior management types, as they can be more focused on achieving certain goals, not the totality of the picture.
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Then I get accused of standing in the way of progress and advised to take my skills to a datacentre... but we all know there won't be anywhere near as many of those jobs going.

I've found myself having to try to suppress very negative reactions to cloud services - particularly the use of Google Apps. Some of that is justified (IMO), the sales pitch is "easy peasy save 80% of your support costs", the reality is we have to integrate and synchronise 3000 users across two directories and start adding hundreds of chrome books, no two of which seem to want to enrol in quite the same way. Far from saving any money we are spending more and having to support two domains means we have less time to support the stuff people are relatively familiar with. It seems to me to be change for changes sake - with no functionality we could not provide in other, more integrated ways (the downside is the upfront and ownership costs are much more visible). There - 100% negative! I almost can't help myself!

 

Yet the more I think about it the more I think it is inevitable. It won't be the only way but it will account for 80% or more (plucking the 80/20 rule out of thin air). The other 'rule' I think will be in play is that we overestimate the pace of adoption, so this won't happen in the next 2-3 years but we underestimate the eventual take-up (at least with successful technologies like mobile phones).

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To be honest, I lost interest in the article and indeed this entire thread as soon as I see the $ sign and realised the author Trevor Pott, is a full-time nerd (his words…) from Edmonton, Canada.
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I recognise much (of myself) from that first blog by Rodger Clarke. Yet the embedding of MS into businesses is a good example of the type of change we face. It's not IT in the driving seat. The drive to MS systems was driven by user pressure and resisted by system admins. MS capitalised on that momentum by building products for the datacenter that made management of the endpoints easier, and then consolidated that position with enterprise grade data centre products (Exchange, SQL, IIS, HyperV, System Center etc).

 

The CEO vs CIO is also a good insight into the overall picture but IMO the picture they paint is slightly wrong. Sure there is a bit more of a mix of IT drives business when the internet forms the fabric of a lot of product delivery. Is that IT driving business though or is that just the reality every business has to deal with, like (say) money is. The "IT must learn to align with the business" or that "smart CIOs know that in order to succeed, IT must align with the business" which the second article tries to dispute is making this mistake. IT is important but it is not (generally) the primary driver, it is an enabler. It is a difficult one to untangle in these days of Amazon (a bookseller) diverging into cloud infrastructure (basically a fallout of technology they have had to develop as a result of having to build scalable architecture for their own business).

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This has been around for years, its just its now call "The Cloud". The large companies centrally host everything and staff connect in via a variety of clients (thin client, web access from other device etc) normally to Citrix TS although this is now moving over to the VDI route.

 

If a company provides it staff with systems to connect into from any device they will aways need support in getting that to work. It is just that kind of support is going to change.

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Well certainly, as I wrote in the third link, there should be no element of "versus" in play at all. Where there is, trouble will soon follow regardless of which other CxO it is.

 

In my current workplace, I have been the primary driver behind almost all new ICT initiatives for the past three years since I became NM. One of the first things I did was to propose replacing all the computers in one of our suites as an NQT had just started teaching there and they took 20 minutes to log on. The NQT didn't propose it; SLT didn't propose it; I did. If I hadn't proposed a move to electronic registration (and behaviour management) two years ago, we'd probably still be wheeling around paper registers. The purchase and adoption of Securus came from me. The requirement for an e-safety policy was identified by me as well as having heavy involvement in drawing it up. My involvement saved £9K from the parental engagement portal project. The idea for a new VLE, including product selection, came from me. Backup and DR, the establishment of a Strategic User Group, moving the pupils to the staff Exchange system, implementing site-wide wireless, a tablet trolley, managed printing... I wasn't just doing the technical side, the entire initiatives came from me too.

 

This isn't an "oh look at me!" post; it's about saying that in some organisations, the IT people are the ones who drive development, for whatever reason. In others, leaders or other groups do that and the IT people carry it out. Both approaches can work but it shows how in some cases IT staff can be "enablers" and in others they can be "drivers" themselves. It depends how the organisation works and the positions that different people hold. I'd like to see more schools where the senior IT staff demonstrating this capacity are recognised as "leaders" too, along with senior finance, personnel and site staff who can be in a position to do similar things. The concept that teachers are the only ones who can become leaders in the education sector is an outdated one.

 

It also depends on its ethos; leaders some organisations are more "snooty" about technical types than others. I've been lucky and grateful in mine for how much they've allowed me to develop my innovative side, although sometimes I feel frustrated that I'm not paid for the strategic role but basically doing it regardless. I say this in support of @pcstru's point about DevOps as in order to get these initiatives through - as IT staff - I've had to do a lot of the "interface" work that it requires. And indeed, while it's not brilliant for recognition or remuneration, I get the feeling that SLT knows that and therefore that my job is pretty secure. Therefore I'd agree that those of us who aren't doing this already may well need to start in the future, just to keep our usefulness and our jobs, though then there's the potential challenge of dealing with those on SLT who think they can do it better... and this idea of "managing upwards" starts to come into play.

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I can't see a point EVER where End User and Second Line support is not required - no system is foolproof and people will ALWAYS ask questions - mostly because no-one ever reads the manuals.

 

I'm sure it will always be required, but the question is how many people does it need? When I started in IT in Education in 2000, we needed one sysadmin for around 80 computers. Netware 4.1, Windows 98, 10-Base T to the desktop. There were 200 machines, and four staff including the IT manager.

 

I hear that the same school now has 500 workstations, supports 500 BYOD laptops, campus-wide wifi, and a host of smaller schools - and has 5 staff to manage the network. You can get away with far fewer people running much bigger networks.

 

I'm seeing the same thing with my retail clients. Microbusinesses are going to managed solutions for their email, and NAS boxes, rather than a client/server architecture. They can cut their IT costs in half by doing that. Home users - well, lots of them are junking the home PC and switching to a tablet, which is all they ever really needed since about half of them only want internet, email and photos. No antivirus needed, no yearly service.

 

The better the tech gets, the fewer of us it needs. It'll always need some people, but it really doesn't need that many any more. Tablets clobbered the retail market and cheap managed hosting killed the SME one.

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The above has just been the final motivation to enroll on a PRINCE2 foundation course!!!

 

Agree though, the job of ICT support has changed massively in just 10 years. I don't like the direction is it going but there's sweet FA I or anyone can do about it!!!

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End user devices are becoming more consumerised, in the consumer world, but everywhere else I simply can't see it. I've yet to hear of a business who has abandoned their in house set up and moved to a BYOD or tablet style working (where the end user device is controlled entirely by the user). Its a massive security risk.

 

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i think consumers [and as end users in the workplace] have more computing power at home, more flexibility with the devices they own in their pockets, than what is available to them in the workplace. So yes, businesses and the employer are slower to upgrade and less likely to embrace the technology that consumers are buying into. I read an article today that says this can be a cause of great frustration dissastisfaction for the employee as they are tied to a more rigid way of using technology in the workplace.

 

But you can't ignore the big changes that have happened and will continue to happen that fundamentally change the nature of the sysadmin role. Neither does it all have to be about the cloud either....if an ICT decision is made in a school or business whereby they buy a product or service that automates a process that previously required time and in-house IT man power to implement how can it not change the nature of what in-house IT support does ? It will be the case that improvements in technology which enable automation or doing more with less input result in downsizing....i've seen it happen in the company I used to work for, which went from a department of seven to just three...and while this often occurs with a wider downsizing of workforce in an organisation, there are other organisation changes like mergers, and in general the move toward shared services and outsourcing of IT has clearly shaken up in-house IT. Even if outsourcing doesn't happen in the corner of education that an individual is happily plugging away in, shared services could very easily happen on their doorstep.

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Well, if you go down the career route that a PRINCE2 course suggests you won't be in support, but management.

 

That's fine by me. I really do think we are on the cusp of major change in the nature of IT support.

 

I really enjoy management of projects and have already had some hands on experience delivering facilities at my semi pro football club. All voluntarily, but have learned some vital fundamentals whilst applying what in my view is common sense and basic organisational skills!

 

I guess IT project management could be the perfect job for some people who want to remain in IT but try their hands at something different?

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I guess IT project management could be the perfect job for some people who want to remain in IT but try their hands at something different?

 

Perhaps. I think it depends on how process driven it is. I worked as a Project and then Programme manager using PRINCE2 methods. There was a lot of focus on quality control of the processes (and PRINCE2 is very, very ... particular) which tended to take me away from the problem solving into, well ... box ticking. Some of that is necessary but it can easily become over emphasised and the tail starts wagging the dog. It can be also easy to get sucked into it and lose sight of why you are doing it in the first place.

 

Still it generally pays quite well!

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IT is an enabler & those IT projects & developments that are most successful tend to be solution-led.

 

Think about all the technology that has been produced with a fanfare & quietly died a death because nobody had a use for it? How many of us in schools have had hardware & software inflicted upon us by staff who have thought 'Wow, shiny... must have...' without thinking about how it could be used?

 

I think IT staff have to become more solution orientated and less fixated with technology. We should be looking at ways to improve the core reason for our business; in schools that is teaching & learning. We should try to steer school leadership (&teachers) away from 'shiny, must have' to what will really make a difference in the classroom.

 

School IT staff have to become 'solution-architects' & take requirements from staff & students & develop & implement solutions. We need to develop architectural skills, systems analysis skills & people skills & spent less time worrying about what Microsoft & others are doing.

 

It saddens me to think how many £000,000 must have been spent across the country with interactive white boards & see 60% or more being used as projection screens because of lack of training or investment.

 

The last government missed a trick with BSF; We replaced our perfectly serviceable network with a brand-new one which offered almost exactly the same services to the end user as before but at a huge cost (£1m+) with large amounts of money being spent on consultancy, centralisation of servers etc. There was much talk about 21st century facilities, innovation etc but when it came to it all we got that was different was video streaming, virtualised servers & a SAN.

 

Our end user experience now is no different than it was in 2010.

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Agree with all of the above. In my experience a hardcore IT enthusiast in charge of a large network can be to the detriment of the end user. Solutions are often delivered due to an interest in the technology rather than the other factors of which should be taken into consideration.

 

In fact we even had someone own up to this on here when inflicting VDI onto their users without consultation or actually deciding whether it was going to improve the user experience or provide any kind of advantage for IT admins.

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i think consumers [and as end users in the workplace] have more computing power at home, more flexibility with the devices they own in their pockets, than what is available to them in the workplace. So yes, businesses and the employer are slower to upgrade and less likely to embrace the technology that consumers are buying into. I read an article today that says this can be a cause of great frustration dissastisfaction for the employee as they are tied to a more rigid way of using technology in the workplace.

 

It's also very reminiscent of the early PC's displacing the mainframe. Users suddenly had the power and flexibility to manage their own data and central data processing was slow to respond and to users more and more distant from being able to meet their actual requirements. Technical innovation passed from IT to users and often PC's were being bought by departments without any reference to the central IT departments who seemed unable to see beyond the mainframe.

 

Thinking about some change, around 1999 I was discussing delivery of digital music with someone in the music business. They were wondering about downloading songs rather than buying CD's and I was poo-pooing it, pointing out the size of a CD track and the capabilities of 56Kbit modems (and bearing in mind the limitations of audio modulation to push data down phone lines). I missed compression and I missed the developments in the local loop that now allows us to sidestep into Mbit connections. Smaller files over higher bandwidth; now downloading a song takes orders of magnitude less time than the song takes to play; we don't even think twice about streaming video.

 

I think the impact of connectivity is something we (SM's/NM's) are still having difficulty appreciating. We are coming up on an important pivot point. There was a similar one I experienced with data around 2004/5; 10 years before that I was borrowing a record or CD and taping it, then tape turned into CD's and we were making digital copies, then we started encoding to MP3 to reduce storage space and make use of iPods. The pivot point around 04/5 was when I realised instead of borrowing a CD to copy [*1], it was suddenly practical to borrow someone's whole music collection. Hard disc capacity meant storing tens of thousands of tracks on a single device was practical and cost effective. The pivot point we are approaching now is with bandwidth rather than storage. Soon it will be possible to move large lumps of data around extremely quickly. That's going to open up how we provision computing power for the services we need. Why will I want to provide local server hardware which mostly idles away processor cycles, when I can much more efficiently just buy the processor cycles I need from someone who specialises in running the iron (and can therefore do it much more efficiently than I ever can), and I will be able to move the data that is the server between hosting providers faster than users need the data.

 

I think that @localzuk's point about companies not wanting to move to the cloud might have a lot of truth - the end users see downsides. The trouble is they aren't providing the software and for the software providers, cloud based solutions are hugely efficient as delivery mechanisms. You might want to host your MIS locally, but in 10 years time, no one will be providing anything but a hosted solution.

 

Maybe. I'm trying to put a bit of thought into it because I need to make career decisions which will span the next 10 years. Any and all input into this is much appreciated. I doubt any predictions I make will stand up to the cruel and inevitable onset of reality, but one thing we can be certain of; things will change. That we won't be doing what we are doing now is probably the only thing we really can be certain of.

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I think that @localzuk's point about companies not wanting to move to the cloud might have a lot of truth - the end users see downsides. The trouble is they aren't providing the software and for the software providers, cloud based solutions are hugely efficient as delivery mechanisms. You might want to host your MIS locally, but in 10 years time, no one will be providing anything but a hosted solution.

 

Maybe. I'm trying to put a bit of thought into it because I need to make career decisions which will span the next 10 years. Any and all input into this is much appreciated. I doubt any predictions I make will stand up to the cruel and inevitable onset of reality, but one thing we can be certain of; things will change. That we won't be doing what we are doing now is probably the only thing we really can be certain of.

 

Thing is, the client dictates the product, not the company. If no-one wants to buy a hosted finance system, then they won't make and sell one. A hosted MIS system sounds like a semi-good idea, but it has issues with integration, so many schools simply won't buy into that system.

 

Many businesses write their own internal software still. It works better for them because they can have it exactly how they want. Sure, they might hire an external company to do the work now (rather than having a permanent staff of a few hundred programmers like they used to), but they still have it as their own software.

 

Things will change, sure, but I simply can't see any business handing over control of devices, and therefore security, to their end users. A lot of businesses can't for legal reasons!

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