RabbieBurns Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Ive been given a car by a family member but I want to back date the change of ownership date so that I will have owned it for longer, to make it easier to ship overseas. Is there any penalty the previous owner would face for submitting a change of ownership form late? Ive tried phoning the DVLA but I cant seem to get past the robot menu to a real human. Any info on their website I should be looking at?
woodham Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 in a hypothetical situation you could ring them up and tell them you still havnt received your logbook you got the car on *** date and sent off the form they wont query it they will just send out another one unless you have already got the logbook?
plexer Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Even then I bet they'll only date it from when they are not informed and there could be fines involved. Ben
woodham Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 or if your really lucky they will write to you two years after you scrapped the vechical and say "you hav'nt taxed it so we are taking you to court." my answer to that one was fine see you in court i'll be there with my nice letter from you dated two years ago saying thaks for telling us you have scrapped your vechical... don't worry about them just go to the post office get a v12 form fill it in with the date you want and post it off
Chris_in_notts Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 how long do you plan on extending your ownership for? will they not ask how the previous owner signed the doc and dated it if you just forgot to send it off?
Hefferzzzz Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 You do need to be careful. When was it last taxed? Has the previous owner been pulled over within the timescale you want to backdate it to? 1
localzuk Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Do note that lying on such a form would basically be a form of fraud. So, I'd avoid doing it personally... 1
michael2k6 Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 The log book / V5 is the registration document stating the owner and registered address. If you never filled one out, you don't own the car. Not informing the DVLA of a new owner is illegal and lying about the date is probably too, but if you've nver done this (presumably it belongs to family?) then what about exporting it now in their name and then changing the owner once it's out there?
plexer Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Erm no the v5 states who the registered keeper is not who owns the ca4. Ben
RabbieBurns Posted July 20, 2013 Author Posted July 20, 2013 The log book / V5 is the registration document stating the owner and registered address. If you never filled one out, you don't own the car. Not informing the DVLA of a new owner is illegal and lying about the date is probably too, but if you've nver done this (presumably it belongs to family?) then what about exporting it now in their name and then changing the owner once it's out there? Local regulations here state I have to have owned it for 12 months in the UK before I can import it. Not wanting to commit any fraud or break any laws. Ive been a named driver on the car for a number of years so hopefully i can use that as proof of 'ownership'
elsiegee40 Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 Is it really economic to ship a car from the UK to Aus @RabbieBurns? I suspect that it would be cheaper to sell the car in the UK and use the money to buy something locally!
RabbieBurns Posted July 21, 2013 Author Posted July 21, 2013 not even close. Trade in value in the uk is about 6k (UKP) over here the same car would cost 10k (UKP) 2003 BMW 325i E46 MY2003 Steptronic
john_doh Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Ive been given a car by a family member but I want to back date the change of ownership date so that I will have owned it for longer, to make it easier to ship overseas. Is there any penalty the previous owner would face for submitting a change of ownership form late? The normal penalties for perjury would apply.
elsiegee40 Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 not even close. Trade in value in the uk is about 6k (UKP) over here the same car would cost 10k (UKP) 2003 BMW 325i E46 MY2003 Steptronic So, how much will it cost to ship it and then get it taxed and legal @RabbieBurns?
RabbieBurns Posted July 22, 2013 Author Posted July 22, 2013 shipping is $1000 (about 800 quid) tax is $300/year. So under a grand sterling. 1
RabbieBurns Posted July 24, 2013 Author Posted July 24, 2013 actually looking at autotrader.co.uk the going rate is about 2-3K (UKP) If its any perpsective every service/repairs Ive had done on my current 1994 BMW here have been around $1000. Thats about 800 quid. Last time it was just a new radiator and an oil change. Owning a European car here is really expensive, so it is definately cost effective to bring over a mint condition UK one
CAM Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Personally I wouldn't screw around with the DVLA (and by extension the Aussie equivalent since you are also trying to pull the wool over their eyes). This is already turning into a surveillance state where just having a car with bad documentation can lead to fines even if it doesn't touch the road and everything is so tightly monitored when it comes to cars it isn't worth the risk.
RabbieBurns Posted July 24, 2013 Author Posted July 24, 2013 Ok let me rephrase the question. What are the repercussions for both a buyer and a seller forgetting to lodge the transfer/sale of vehicle documents? There must be a FAQ on the DVLA section covering that or such?
pcstru Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Personally I wouldn't screw around with the DVLA (and by extension the Aussie equivalent since you are also trying to pull the wool over their eyes). I'd guess the reason for proof of ownership is to do with avoiding import duty, rather than anything to do with the Au equivalent of the DVLA. IMO John_doh has it right and while it might be tempting you should beware the future as Chris Huhne found out! @RabbieBurns, AFAIR the DVLA has no statutory powers to levy a fine for late/failure to notify. However, they can take you to court for failing to notify (which is an offence) and a magistrate might impose a fine which can be quite steep (three figures).
happymeal Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_175090.pdf - think this might help? Or failing that, take a look at section D - http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_067819.pdf
CAM Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 By law, the seller is responsible for telling us about the change of keeper. So it won't be you at risk of getting dragged into court, it will be your family.
plexer Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 AFAIR the DVLA has no statutory powers to levy a fine for late/failure to notify. However, they can take you to court for failing to notify (which is an offence) and a magistrate might impose a fine which can be quite steep (three figures). We part exchanged a car at a dealer and forgot to send of the bit to notify DVLA and got fined. Ben
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