kennysarmy Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 Logon time analysis Tested using a Windows 7 64bit computer in an MSI Testing OU with Block Inheritance ticked, therefore ruling out any Group Policy Issues. Moved a Pupil test logon "4480" to the same OU. Initial Logon time to desktop with no egg-timer = 40 seconds. Repeated with same user, logon time to desktop with no egg-timer = 4 seconds. On checking C:\users\4480 I find it’s 24.3 Mb Further analysis shows that: C:\Users\4480\AppData\Local\Microsoft\ Is built up as shown below: Folder Number of files Space used ================= =============== ========== Credentials 0 0 MB Current Folder 0 0 MB Feeds 3 0.06 MB Feeds Cache 8 0.04 MB Internet Explorer 3 0.11 MB Media Player 14 2 MB Office 0 0 MB Windows 26 4 MB Windows Mail 62 15 MB Windows Media 2 0.02 MB Windows Sidebar 1 0.01 MB ----------------- --------------- ---------- TOTAL 119 20 MB How can I stop this creation of unnecessary data and speed up logon times for first use.
kennysarmy Posted June 28, 2012 Author Posted June 28, 2012 After reading here: http://www.edugeek.net/forums/windows-7/77903-default-mandatory-profile-slow-logon-normal-2.html#post697202 I deleted the keys: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C}] "IsInstalled"=dword:00000000 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\ Active Setup\Installed Components\{44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C}] "IsInstalled"=dword:00000000 This reduced the initial logon down to 34 seconds. C:\Users\4480\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer\ is now the largest local folder for user 4480, the contents being: thumbcache_256.db 1 MB thumbcache_32.db 1 MB thumbcache_96.db 1 MB ExplorerStartupLog.etl 0.05 MB ExplorerStartupLog_RunOnce.etl 0.02 MB thumbcache_idx.db 0.01 MB thumbcache_1024.db 0.01 MB thumbcache_sr.db 0.01 MB What else could I do to speed up the initial logon?
kennysarmy Posted June 28, 2012 Author Posted June 28, 2012 This is from our standard build windows 7 computers: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components] [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\>{22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95}] @="Microsoft Windows Media Player" "Version"="12,0,7601,17514" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000000 "ComponentID"="WMPACCESS" "LocalizedName"=hex(2):40,00,25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,\ 6f,00,6f,00,74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,\ 00,5c,00,77,00,6d,00,70,00,6c,00,6f,00,63,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,2c,00,\ 2d,00,31,00,32,00,38,00,00,00 "StubPath"=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,\ 74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,75,\ 00,6e,00,72,00,65,00,67,00,6d,00,70,00,32,00,2e,00,65,00,78,00,65,00,20,00,\ 2f,00,53,00,68,00,6f,00,77,00,57,00,4d,00,50,00,00,00 "DontAsk"=dword:00000002 "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\>{26923b43-4d38-484f-9b9e-de460746276c}] @="Internet Explorer" "Version"="9,0,8112,16421" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "ComponentID"="IEACCESS" "LocalizedName"="@C:\\Windows\\System32\\ie4uinit.exe,-21" "StubPath"="C:\\Windows\\System32\\ie4uinit.exe -UserIconConfig" "Dontask"=dword:00000002 "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\>{60B49E34-C7CC-11D0-8953-00A0C90347FF}] @="Browser Customizations" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="9,0,8112,16421" "ComponentiD"="BRANDING.CAB" "LocalizedName"="@C:\\Windows\\System32\\iedkcs32.dll,-3052" "StubPath"="\"C:\\Windows\\System32\\rundll32.exe\" \"C:\\Windows\\System32\\iedkcs32.dll\",BrandIEActiveSetup SIGNUP" "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608500}] @="Java (Sun)" "ComponentID"="JAVAVM" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "KeyFileName"="C:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin\\regutils.dll" "Version"="5,0,5000,0" "Locale"="EN" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{166B1BCA-3F9C-11CF-8075-444553540000}] "IsInstalled"=hex:01,00,00,00 "ComponentID"="Director" @="Macromedia Shockwave Director 10.1" "Version"="10,1,0,11" "Locale"="EN" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95}] @="Microsoft Windows Media Player 12.0" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="12,0,7601,17514" "DontAsk"=dword:00000002 "Locale"="EN" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{2A202491-F00D-11cf-87CC-0020AFEECF20}] "ComponentID"="Director" "Version"="10,1,0,11" "Locale"="EN" "IsInstalled"=hex:01,00,00,00 @="Macromedia Shockwave Director 10.1" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{2C7339CF-2B09-4501-B3F3-F3508C9228ED}] @="Themes Setup" "LocalizedName"=hex(2):40,00,25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,\ 6f,00,6f,00,74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,\ 00,5c,00,74,00,68,00,65,00,6d,00,65,00,75,00,69,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,\ 2c,00,2d,00,32,00,36,00,38,00,32,00,00,00 "ComponentID"="Theme Component" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Locale"="EN" "StubPath"=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,\ 74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,72,\ 00,65,00,67,00,73,00,76,00,72,00,33,00,32,00,2e,00,65,00,78,00,65,00,20,00,\ 2f,00,73,00,20,00,2f,00,6e,00,20,00,2f,00,69,00,3a,00,2f,00,55,00,73,00,65,\ 00,72,00,49,00,6e,00,73,00,74,00,61,00,6c,00,6c,00,20,00,25,00,53,00,79,00,\ 73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,\ 00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,74,00,68,00,65,00,6d,00,65,00,75,00,\ 69,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,00,00 "Version"="1,1,1,9" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{3af36230-a269-11d1-b5bf-0000f8051515}] @="Offline Browsing Pack" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="9,0,8112,16421" "ComponentID"="MobilePk" "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{3C3901C5-3455-3E0A-A214-0B093A5070A6}] "Locale"="" "Version"="4,0,30319,0" "ComponentID"=".NETFramework" @=".NET Framework" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C}] "IsInstalled"=dword:00000000 "Dontask"=dword:00000002 "Locale"="*" "ComponentID"="MailNews" "CloneUser"=dword:00000001 "StubPath"=hex(2):22,00,25,00,50,00,72,00,6f,00,67,00,72,00,61,00,6d,00,46,00,\ 69,00,6c,00,65,00,73,00,25,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,64,00,6f,00,77,00,73,\ 00,20,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,6c,00,5c,00,57,00,69,00,6e,00,4d,00,61,00,69,00,\ 6c,00,2e,00,65,00,78,00,65,00,22,00,20,00,4f,00,43,00,49,00,6e,00,73,00,74,\ 00,61,00,6c,00,6c,00,55,00,73,00,65,00,72,00,43,00,6f,00,6e,00,66,00,69,00,\ 67,00,4f,00,45,00,00,00 "Version"="6,1,7601,17514" @="Microsoft Windows" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{44BBA855-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015F}] @="DirectDrawEx" "ComponentID"="DirectDrawEx" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Locale"="*" "Version"="4,71,1113,0" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{45ea75a0-a269-11d1-b5bf-0000f8051515}] @="Internet Explorer Help" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="9,0,8112,16421" "ComponentID"="HelpCont" "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{4f645220-306d-11d2-995d-00c04f98bbc9}] @="Microsoft Windows Script 5.6" "ComponentID"="MSVBScript" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Locale"="EN" "Version"="5,6,0,8833" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{5fd399c0-a70a-11d1-9948-00c04f98bbc9}] @="Internet Explorer Setup Tools" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="9,0,8112,16421" "ComponentID"="GenSetup" "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{630b1da0-b465-11d1-9948-00c04f98bbc9}] "KeyFileName"=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,\ 00,74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,\ 6d,00,73,00,69,00,65,00,66,00,74,00,70,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,00,00 @="Browsing Enhancements" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="9,0,8112,16421" "ComponentID"="ExtraPack" "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{6BF52A52-394A-11d3-B153-00C04F79FAA6}] @="Microsoft Windows Media Player" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="12,0,7601,17514" "ComponentID"="Microsoft Windows Media Player" "LocalizedName"=hex(2):40,00,25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,\ 6f,00,6f,00,74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,\ 00,5c,00,77,00,6d,00,70,00,6c,00,6f,00,63,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,2c,00,\ 2d,00,31,00,32,00,38,00,00,00 "StubPath"=hex(2):25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,6f,00,6f,00,\ 74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,00,5c,00,75,\ 00,6e,00,72,00,65,00,67,00,6d,00,70,00,32,00,2e,00,65,00,78,00,65,00,20,00,\ 2f,00,46,00,69,00,72,00,73,00,74,00,4c,00,6f,00,67,00,6f,00,6e,00,20,00,2f,\ 00,53,00,68,00,6f,00,72,00,74,00,63,00,75,00,74,00,73,00,20,00,2f,00,52,00,\ 65,00,67,00,42,00,72,00,6f,00,77,00,73,00,65,00,72,00,73,00,20,00,2f,00,52,\ 00,65,00,73,00,65,00,74,00,4d,00,55,00,49,00,00,00 "DontAsk"=dword:00000002 "Locale"="EN" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{6fab99d0-bab8-11d1-994a-00c04f98bbc9}] @="MSN Site Access" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="4,9,9,2" "ComponentID"="MSN_Auth" "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{7790769C-0471-11d2-AF11-00C04FA35D02}] @="Address Book 7" "Version"="6,1,7601,17514" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000000 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{7C028AF8-F614-47B3-82DA-BA94E41B1089}] @=".NET Framework" "Locale"="" "ComponentID"=".NETFramework" "Version"="2,0,50727,0" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{89820200-ECBD-11cf-8B85-00AA005B4340}] @="Windows Desktop Update" "LocalizedName"=hex(2):40,00,25,00,53,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,52,00,\ 6f,00,6f,00,74,00,25,00,5c,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,74,00,65,00,6d,00,33,00,32,\ 00,5c,00,73,00,68,00,65,00,6c,00,6c,00,33,00,32,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,\ 2c,00,2d,00,33,00,32,00,39,00,36,00,39,00,00,00 "ComponentID"="IE4_SHELLID" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Locale"="en" "StubPath"=hex(2):72,00,65,00,67,00,73,00,76,00,72,00,33,00,32,00,2e,00,65,00,\ 78,00,65,00,20,00,2f,00,73,00,20,00,2f,00,6e,00,20,00,2f,00,69,00,3a,00,55,\ 00,20,00,73,00,68,00,65,00,6c,00,6c,00,33,00,32,00,2e,00,64,00,6c,00,6c,00,\ 00,00 "Version"="6,1,7601,17755" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{89820200-ECBD-11cf-8B85-00AA005B4383}] @="Web Platform Customizations" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="9,0,8112,16421" "ComponentID"="BASEIE40_W2K" "LocalizedName"="@C:\\Windows\\System32\\ie4uinit.exe,-2000" "StubPath"="C:\\Windows\\System32\\ie4uinit.exe -BaseSettings" "Locale"="en" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{89B4C1CD-B018-4511-B0A1-5476DBF70820}] "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "ComponentID"="DOTNETFRAMEWORKS" "StubPath"="C:\\Windows\\system32\\Rundll32.exe C:\\Windows\\system32\\mscories.dll,Install" "DontAsk"=dword:00000002 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{9381D8F2-0288-11D0-9501-00AA00B911A5}] @="Dynamic HTML Data Binding" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="9,0,8112,16421" "ComponentID"="Tridata" "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{C9E9A340-D1F1-11D0-821E-444553540600}] @="Internet Explorer Core Fonts" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="9,0,8112,16421" "ComponentID"="Fontcore" "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{de5aed00-a4bf-11d1-9948-00c04f98bbc9}] @="HTML Help" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Version"="6,1,7601,16978" "ComponentID"="HTMLHelp" "Locale"="*" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{E92B03AB-B707-11d2-9CBD-0000F87A369E}] @="Active Directory Service Interface" "ComponentID"="ADSI" "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001 "Locale"="EN" "Version"="5,0,00,0" Can anyone let me know which if any of these can be disabled to speed up logon times??? Thanks
simpsonj Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 If you want a non-reg hack way of disabling Windows Mail, it can be achieved through group policy (CPU Config - Admin Templates - Windows Components - Windows Mail - Turn off windows mail application - enabled) Otherwise it would be worth looking at the default profile on your machine and ensuring that it is as clean as possible. From my own experience, I know that Browser Customization tends to take a fair while to run through... 1
kennysarmy Posted June 29, 2012 Author Posted June 29, 2012 Thanks Anyone else know which of the above can be deleted to speed up logon times and which might be essential to proper operation?
kennysarmy Posted June 29, 2012 Author Posted June 29, 2012 We've got logon times reduced from 80 seconds to 40 seconds by disabling the following three reg keys: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components] {7790769C-0471-11d2-AF11-00C04FA35D02} (Address book) {44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C} (WinMail) {89820200-ECBD-11cf-8B85-00AA005B4340} (Windows Desktop Update) Will do some testing to see if any of these have broken anything....early indicators suggest NOT!
gshaw Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) If you want a non-reg hack way of disabling Windows Mail, it can be achieved through group policy (CPU Config - Admin Templates - Windows Components - Windows Mail - Turn off windows mail application - enabled) Otherwise it would be worth looking at the default profile on your machine and ensuring that it is as clean as possible. From my own experience, I know that Browser Customization tends to take a fair while to run through... Does this have the same effect as the reg hack? Common sense would suggest it should stop the auto database creation but with MS these days I'm not that trusting If I could speed up the HP UPD when mapping via GPP that would help as well, takes about 20 seconds which judging by the disk activity seems to be the driver copying \ installing every time (?) but would need to dig deeper to see the exact behaviour of it For machines with guest accounts that we set to auto logon I have a requirement from powered off > usable desktop in 1min 30sec and I'm hitting it at the moment although 1min would be great Edited June 29, 2012 by gshaw
DrCheese Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 We've got logon times reduced from 80 seconds to 40 seconds by disabling the following three reg keys: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components] {7790769C-0471-11d2-AF11-00C04FA35D02} (Address book) {44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C} (WinMail) {89820200-ECBD-11cf-8B85-00AA005B4340} (Windows Desktop Update) Will do some testing to see if any of these have broken anything....early indicators suggest NOT! Broke libraries for me when I tried that during my initial Windows 7 testing. Login, hit start and go to documents. Wait... 30+ seconds for it to appear. (Also Winmail has nothing to do with "Windows mail", i.e the email client. It's something to do with indexing as best I can tell)
kennysarmy Posted July 3, 2012 Author Posted July 3, 2012 Broke libraries for me when I tried that during my initial Windows 7 testing. Login, hit start and go to documents. Wait... 30+ seconds for it to appear. (Also Winmail has nothing to do with "Windows mail", i.e the email client. It's something to do with indexing as best I can tell) Thanks will investigate further... I remove the libraries feature from our standard build anyway... (How to Remove “Libraries” from Windows 7 Explorer’s Navigation Pane? - Tweaking with Vishal)
gshaw Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Broke libraries for me when I tried that during my initial Windows 7 testing. Login, hit start and go to documents. Wait... 30+ seconds for it to appear. (Also Winmail has nothing to do with "Windows mail", i.e the email client. It's something to do with indexing as best I can tell) Doesn't happen to me on my test machines? If you Google HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\{44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C the reg keys refers to Outlook Express in the dim and distant past which suggests it is actually Windows Mail. Seems to work OK for this guy... https://wss.psu.edu/CLM/Lists/Windows%207%20Issues/DispForm.aspx?ID=121
SCSI Posted July 19, 2012 Posted July 19, 2012 We've got logon times reduced from 80 seconds to 40 seconds by disabling the following three reg keys: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components] {7790769C-0471-11d2-AF11-00C04FA35D02} (Address book) {44BBA840-CC51-11CF-AAFA-00AA00B6015C} (WinMail) {89820200-ECBD-11cf-8B85-00AA005B4340} (Windows Desktop Update) Will do some testing to see if any of these have broken anything....early indicators suggest NOT! Can you elaborate how you disabled these? Did you just modify their "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001" to 0? How about the "StubPath"?
AngryTechnician Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 If you want a non-reg hack way of disabling Windows Mail, it can be achieved through group policy (CPU Config - Admin Templates - Windows Components - Windows Mail - Turn off windows mail application - enabled) Does this have the same effect as the reg hack? Common sense would suggest it should stop the auto database creation but with MS these days I'm not that trusting I have that GPO enabled and a quick inspection suggests that none of the users whose profile was created since enabling it have the Windows Mail folder. However, users who pre-date that setting get the folder created locally even when logging on to a new computer.
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