Restricted login at specific times

[mortstar]

Hi guys and girls

 

We have a suite of 24 machines in our LRC. These are a bookable resource throughout the day for teaching, during school periods. However, during morning break, lunch and after school the students are able to use the machines for homework, internet use etc. (not games grrrr!!! )

 

During lessons the teachers use seating plans and the machines are generally well looked after. When the students are unsupervised, however, the machines take a battering of power off at socket/PSU/on-off button, sticky fingers, network socket switching, removed peripherals etc. etc.

 

During discussions with the (very busy) librarian we have tried to implement a logging system. So the machines are 'allocated' by the librarian before they can be used - any damage/vandalism at a machine can then be "firmly" blamed on an individual. I'm sure there must be a software solution so that, instead of this ad hoc system, the librarian can allow a particular student to log in to a particular machine for a set period of time.

 

Any help greatly appreciated.

 

Sam

[bossman]

Under the health and safety act the pupils should not be unsupervised and support staff cannot supervise on their own they have to have a teacher with them. I would put this to SLT and see what they come up with.

[mortstar]

Thanks Bossman - in the morning break there is a teacher 'on duty' in the LRC. However, more often than not I'll see them reading a paper and avoiding, as best they can, the troublemaking pupils. In this regard it is difficult to change the status quo - as we all know.

 

If the H&S thing was to develop so far that nobody can/will supervise the kids during lunch - then this throws up issues as to how we stop the machines being used just at lunch times.

[kxv2020]

What Health & Saftey act is it? our librarian supervises kids all day - during lunch; before schools; after school; with no teaching staff. I know this happens in many schools. Are you sure?

 

 

Under the health and safety act the pupils should not be unsupervised and support staff cannot supervise on their own they have to have a teacher with them. I would put this to SLT and see what they come up with.

[plexer]

How about one of the remote access/control solutions.

 

The librarian could have all the machines locked so no one can use them and then selectively unlock them to allow access?

 

Ben

[localzuk]

I would be shocked if support staff couldn't supervise kids! Why in a law would there be a separation between 'teachers' and everyone else? For one thing, it would mean that SEN departments wouldn't be able to do anything outside of actual lessons...

[russdev]

There is no law that sates that can't supervise students you can not teach a lesson and can not supervise a lesson on long term basis.

 

But you can supervise in fact you legal have duty of care to do so if in room with students.

 

Only thing you can;t do is supervise a sporting activity if not qualified to do so.

 

So examples:-

 

 

a) - Look after class b every second period on a Monday using work set by teacher - not allowed unless your employied a cover supervisor.

 

B) - Look after class b every second period on a Monday using work teach them about french nouns - not allowed by anyone other than a teacher.

 

c) Run after school club on web design - anyone empplyied by school can.

 

d) Teach fails ill in middle of class and you are walking by teacher need to leave room you are to supervise the class - anyone can and you have legal duty of care to do it until cover comes.

 

e) cover a rugby pe lesson - not allowed by anyone other than qualified teacher that includes cover supervisors as they are not insured to unless they are qualified rugby coach.

 

f) run a rugby after school club - anyone as long as qualified to coach that sport.

 

g) You walk in room a student)s) around another student starting to get out of hand - Anyone you have legal duty of care for students and so must supervise until cover/help comes.

 

Hope that helps

[mortstar]

Okay well that clears the H&S issue up.

 

I've recently rolled out LanView. So having all stations in "Get Attention Mode" until that is released would work. Thanks for the idea plexer. I know the MST guys don't support LanView in that sort of situation. But a quick bit of training to the librarian on - this is how you lock the machine, this is how you unlock the machine, DO NOT under any circumstances press anything else - should suffice.

[timbo343]

Could a script be wrote so that when a kid logs in, it checks against the time of day. If it is within the time set, then the kid remains logged in, but if the logon happened after or before the time it would log them straight off

[SpuffMonkey]

Could a script be wrote so that when a kid logs in, it checks against the time of day. If it is within the time set, then the kid remains logged in, but if the logon happened after or before the time it would log them straight off

 

Can't you just do this with the login time facility on windows server?

[djm968]

The attached VBScripts write the username and logon\logoff times to a text file. This can be useful to establish who was using a computer when an incident occurs.

 

I wrote a KIX script to kick users of a domain at certain times before. I will see if I can dig it out for you.

logoff_512.vbs

logon.vbs

[ZeroHour]

Very very useful info there Russ

We currently are experiencing a problem where teachers think unsupervised access to rooms/pc's is okay.

This should shake them up

[ZeroHour]

Anyone you have legal duty of care for students and so must supervise until cover/help comes.

It appears that at least where I am this does not apply. We have checked it out with our H&S guy and he phoned around and found nothing banishing this.

Is it a LEA thing or due to the English education system?