LosOjos Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 I can't find a way to sort user defined groups by name in the editor... please somebody tell me it can be done and it isn't a huge FAIL on Capita's part...
vikpaw Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Sorry, it's a FAIL. I think they are stored in the order you add them... or some random db order like sorted on the sql id or something.
GREED Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 My goodness I asked for this to be changed 2 years ago!!!
vikpaw Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 My goodness I asked for this to be changed 2 years ago!!! GRaham, it's clearly not worth spending resources on such a change when Dynamic User Defined groups will solve all these issues. If you'd just wait, i think you'll DISCOVER there'll be no need for ADGs or UDGs soon. What we do for 3 years, while we wait, well that's anybody's guess.
Sivadam Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 DUDGs will not be replacing standard UDGs. Rather they will be additional. And we'll have 'Discover' available with the Autumn release for Field Trial testing, though some of the functionality has been delayed until the Spring Release!
vikpaw Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 DUDGs will not be replacing standard UDGs. Rather they will be additional. And we'll have 'Discover' available with the Autumn release for Field Trial testing, though some of the functionality has been delayed until the Spring Release! Surely the only reason to ignore user calls for functionality that should have been present is that it will be rectified by the new system. It may not be a replacement, but i sure as heck hope DUDGs can by 'static' (so to speak) with a condition like 'member of Y9' and that they can be used to replace the cumbersome UDG system. So realistically, for Discover, we're looking at something that might be available, working and patched (!) by the end of this academic year.... Insha'Allah
Sivadam Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 (edited) As with any other new functionality, what is actually in the first main release depends on how the Field Trial progresses. Discover is on the Roadmap for general release in Spring. This release will be UAT tested before it is released as well as the Field Trial testing of the Autumn Release! It may be that one school/LA finds a major issue with the software when used with their own data - as I did at UAT, testing SLG for Autumn Release, on Friday. It then depends on how quickly the development team can amend any issue that may be found. The issue of reconciliation of all types of UDG was raised at the Field Trial Launch meeting - but this is obviously outside the scope of the Discover project! Edited October 4, 2010 by Sivadam
LosOjos Posted October 4, 2010 Author Posted October 4, 2010 So how did UDG make it through field trials without anybody pointing out that in an area of the system specifically for editing lists, you can't sort the list? At the very least, alphanumeric sorting ought to be applied to any list, anywhere in any system automatically; surely that's just common sense? Or was such a counter productive flaw just never deemed important enough to fix? Under no circumstances should a list ever just be a randomly ordered mess.
Sivadam Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 (edited) We currently have 67 UDGs on the system. Some are Active and some are not. Although not strictly alphabetical you can click the Title Heading (description) to sort them alphabetically. Why all this hassle just for a less than a one-second mouse click? Edited October 4, 2010 by Sivadam
LosOjos Posted October 4, 2010 Author Posted October 4, 2010 We currently have 67 UDGs on the system. Some are Active and some are not. Although not strictly alphabetical you can click the Title Heading to sort them alphabetically. Why all this hassle just for a less than a one-second mouse click? I'm sorry Sivadam but do you have a function the rest of us are missing? There is no 'Title Heading' in my system, only 'Members', and clicking that does nothing.
Sivadam Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 Apologies! The orignal post refers to sorting UDGs by name and not UDG Memberships by name. It is UDG names that I thought the thread was about! I cannot sort the memberships of individual UDGs and I too have contributed to CRs for this over the years! Maybe one will bring this up when we go to the first Discover Workshop in a couple of weeks time!
vikpaw Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 So how did UDG make it through field trials without anybody pointing out that in an area of the system specifically for editing lists, you can't sort the list? At the very least, alphanumeric sorting ought to be applied to any list, anywhere in any system automatically; surely that's just common sense? Or was such a counter productive flaw just never deemed important enough to fix? Under no circumstances should a list ever just be a randomly ordered mess. I think the default for SQL and dbs in general is that information is not sorted unless explicitly coded to. Data gets put in and out all the time, and the default sort could be anything from the key field on pupil ID to just random position in table based on entry date. You're right though, the implementation sucks. Surely, UDG field trials don't predate SIVADAM do they...? If anyone was going to find it and tell Capita you'd have thought, that was ya man....
LosOjos Posted October 4, 2010 Author Posted October 4, 2010 I think the default for SQL and dbs in general is that information is not sorted unless explicitly coded to. Data gets put in and out all the time, and the default sort could be anything from the key field on pupil ID to just random position in table based on entry date. You're right though, the implementation sucks. Surely, UDG field trials don't predate SIVADAM do they...? If anyone was going to find it and tell Capita you'd have thought, that was ya man.... Sorry, I should have been more specific, I was talking about the UI to a system rather than the inner workings of the system itself. And even if UDG does predate Sivadam (@Sivadam: is that even possible? You seem to have been using SIMS since the beginning of time!), that must have been some pretty lousy field testing for nobody to pick up on it. That or Capita just didn't see it as worthy of fixing and would rather leave their end users frustrated while they waste their valuable time trying to locate a single name in a randomly ordered list potentially containing hundreds of names...
Sivadam Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 (edited) UDGs do pre-date me. Remember I have been a Nova user since it's DOS days. I was dragged kicking and screaming into SIMS when they aquired Nova and Clive Stott! Edited October 4, 2010 by Sivadam
vikpaw Posted October 4, 2010 Posted October 4, 2010 Nows a good time to share one of my favorite cartoons 2
LosOjos Posted October 4, 2010 Author Posted October 4, 2010 I do love Dilbert, seems there is always a relevant comic and almost always right on the money!
PhilNeal Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 This isn't very smart. I will see what we can do. 1
LosOjos Posted October 7, 2010 Author Posted October 7, 2010 Thanks Phil, as much as I rant I do understand you can't please everyone, but this particular issue just seems like such a basic function to be missing! Thanks again
PhilNeal Posted October 7, 2010 Posted October 7, 2010 Perfectly reasonable to rant on this one! You should have heard me when I saw it!!
PhilNeal Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 This issue is fixed in the November release which is due late November. 1
Sivadam Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 (edited) Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... I wonder why the change requests such as CR No. 0810-412626 posted on 10/10/2008 never surfaced on the radar. That was one I supported and I am sure there were others over the years. Edited October 8, 2010 by Sivadam
LosOjos Posted October 8, 2010 Author Posted October 8, 2010 Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... I wonder why the change requests such as CR No. 0810-412626 posted on 10/10/2008 never surfaced on the radar. That was one I supported and I am sure there were others over the years. I guess SupportNet isn't the be all and end all of SIMS support after all eh Sivadam? [bTW, I'm joking because we all know how much Sivadam likes to try and push us all over to SupportNet! ]
Sivadam Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 (edited) The point is that the well supported CRs should be analysed and discussed at the yearly Software Meetings. This request had quite a bit of support and appears to have been a relatively quick fix. So one wonders what happened to this CR that year ...... And, as GREED says, the issue has been raised at other times as well. Edited October 8, 2010 by Sivadam
PhilNeal Posted October 8, 2010 Posted October 8, 2010 Mike & Graham you make a very fair point. When I discussed this issue internally I discovered that it had not been properly understood. Frankly it should have been treated as a bug and not a change request. 1
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