Bu**er - Didn't get it

[Gatt]

Had my Windows 7 Exam today (70-680)

 

Unfortunately I only got 593 out of the needed 700

Back to the books, practice exams and braindumps for me

Edited April 13, 2010 by MkII

[leco]

Aw what a shame, better ticking next time eh?

[RabbieBurns]

got any braindumps you can share?

[dwhyte85]

I hope you're kidding about the braindumps...

[leco]

eugh - won't that mess up our nice new clean Edugeek?

[Gatt]

lol - yeah just joking about the braindumps - sticking with the books and practice exams....

[leco]

Books and practice that's the stuff, can't beat practical (actually doing it) experience though (guess that might be a bit difficult if you haven't got any Win7 machines yet)

[RabbieBurns]

Are braindumps not just those books full of questions and answers? Surely by reading them and knowing the correct answer, you are therefore learning?

[leco]

Braindumps are everything that comes into your head when focusing on a particular issue. When working through a project they help with un-jumbling disparate thoughts. Some folk make mind-maps but they are quite structured. Braindumps aren't structured at all until you look at them afterwards. If, having read all the books and answered all the questions, your braindump contains all that it should (ie the things in the book), all you have to do is get the items in the right order.

[dwhyte85]

Braindumps in the context of MS exams can mean something very different.

 

If it's the sharing the questions, question layout of an exam and the answers that is cheating.

 

Reading from a book and learning is very different to a going to an exam knowing the questions & answers because you've memorised them... that's cheating & wont help you learn, maybe a definition of braindump is required.

[leco]

If, each time the exam is run, the questions are different (as in SATs) then you'd have to know the answers - that's learning. So practicing with sample exam papers would be OK. However, if the questions are always the same ones then memorising those questions with the aid of the books, whilst also learning you would consider to be cheating?

[Gatt]

I wouldn't really see it as cheating either way - unless they were the questions from an actual exam (as in - someone had gone in for an exam and written all the answers down) then that I would regard as cheating.. which I would imagine is not that easy...

 

I would always do a practice test, read the book on any topics I as weak on, then go back and do another test.. and so on...

[RabbieBurns]

Braindumps in the context of MS exams can mean something very different.

 

If it's the sharing the questions, question layout of an exam and the answers that is cheating.

 

Reading from a book and learning is very different to a going to an exam knowing the questions & answers because you've memorised them... that's cheating & wont help you learn, maybe a definition of braindump is required.

 

I can see why that would be classed as cheating, but I disagree it wouldn't help you learn. Maybe for some folk who would just read it, pass an exam, and forget it, but I tend to remember everything I read anyway, so if I sat and read through a whole textbook, or sat and read through all the questions and then the answers, at the end I would know the same stuff. Doing it the latter way just filters out all the waffle. IMO.

 

Do people not do the same for the Driving Theory test?

[leco]

Whereas I learn by doing - if I've worked through an issue at or on a machine then I've learnt how to do it for another time. I do keep words in my head if I've read the book, but they aren't properly learnt until I've actually done it.

 

Don't know about the Driving Theory Test, as I don't drive.

[Gatt]

Regarding cheating - rest assured i haven't cheated - If I had - I would have passed!!

[leco]

No, no wasn't accusing you of cheating - just having an interesting discussion about what braindump meant. It appears that there are a number of definitions of the word. That and how people learn - they either learn to pass the exam or they learn to enable them to carry out tasks. I always thought that the MS exams were supposed to be the latter.

[Gatt]

No, no wasn't accusing you of cheating - just having an interesting discussion about what braindump meant. It appears that there are a number of definitions of the word. That and how people learn - they either learn to pass the exam or they learn to enable them to carry out tasks. I always thought that the MS exams were supposed to be the latter.

 

S'ok - I wasnt accusing anyone of accusing me of cheating - lol

[leco]

(Would have only posted the smiley but am not allowed as it's too short)

[dwhyte85]

I can see why that would be classed as cheating, but I disagree it wouldn't help you learn. Maybe for some folk who would just read it, pass an exam, and forget it, but I tend to remember everything I read anyway, so if I sat and read through a whole textbook, or sat and read through all the questions and then the answers, at the end I would know the same stuff. Doing it the latter way just filters out all the waffle. IMO.

 

Do people not do the same for the Driving Theory test?

 

I agree to an extent but it's prohibited to share any MS test info, questions, layout or answers... braindumps aren't allowed :-) Learning a specific answer to a question, e.g, what is 5+5 - you either know addition or you don't, if you just know the answer is 10 when 3+4 is in the test you'll be knackered... certain parts of the MS exams would be similar in principal... in particular subnetting, I don't want people devalue-ing my qualifications because they can remember answers without any idea of how they would get the answer.

[leco]

In that case what is your definition of braindump, as I think perhaps we are talking at cross purposes?

[dwhyte85]

Braindumps are peoples experiences of examinations in my context and I think jokingly in OPs, for instance, someone may have sat an exam and 'remembered' the questions and possible answers, they report this back to other naughty people and then soon after the naughty people will sit the exam with the knowledge of the exam - the idea is that the questions by MS wont be cycled and likely to be the same.

 

I don't mean dumping your knowledge on an A3 sheet of paper, I mean reading someones recollection of the exam. When people talk about MS exams and braindumps they normally mean the latter on the last sentence.

[RabbieBurns]

I agree to an extent but it's prohibited to share any MS test info, questions, layout or answers... braindumps aren't allowed :-) Learning a specific answer to a question, e.g, what is 5+5 - you either know addition or you don't, if you just know the answer is 10 when 3+4 is in the test you'll be knackered... certain parts of the MS exams would be similar in principal... in particular subnetting, I don't want people devalue-ing my qualifications because they can remember answers without any idea of how they would get the answer.

 

I can see your point again about things which need to be worked out. But when there is only a correct answer(s) to a factual question (What is the capital of France? Paris) Its either right or wrong. If youve learnt it for the exam, then you have learnt it full stop.

 

I've not looked at the aforementioned windows 7 exam, but I cannot imagine there is anything that would need 'worked out'. Please correct me if Im wrong.

[leco]

Ah and I was talking in a wider context, not realising that the word had particular meaning for MS exams. I've no experience with them is my only excuse.

 

In your context then it would be learning the answers rather than learning how to do the task (subnetting in your example). Faced with that task in the real world, knowing the answer to an MS exam question may not be enough knowledge?

[PiqueABoo]

When people used to talk about MS and braindumps they meant sets of all current known questions for a given exam together with mostly right answers i.e. what anyone with a half-decent memory could memorise in order to go pass the exams (and despite being "prohibited" lots of anyones very clearly did that). MS were supposed to be doing things-to-fix-it e.g. random picks from a much larger set of questions which are regularly changed - dunno, haven't paid any attention to their exams for a long while.

[Gatt]

Had my Windows 7 Exam today (70-680)

 

Unfortunately I only got 593 out of the needed 700

Back to the books, practice exams and braindumps for me

 

The most annoying thing are these "control" questions that dont count towards your final score...

if they did then my score would have been higher, and may have even passed