OFSTED "Right to Work" Evidence

[AyatollahPies]

Are we in East Germany?

[Ketlane]

 

 

I'm sure that there was something that i signed when applying for my passport saying that it must not be photocopied under any circumstances.

 

Some personal travel experience (and that of looking after youngsters) says ALWAYS photocopy your passport when travelling and make sure the copy is kept separate from the original. Passports are very attractive to theives - and the photocopy will help you when you go to the Embassy or High Commission to get a replacement or temporary one.

[mjs_mjs]

I've just rung the home office (IPS) to ask if it's legal (photocopying a passport) and the response i got was... they haven't herd of this, it isn't illegal for them (employer) to request it, you don't have to provide it, they DONT recommend it and the number should be enough.

 

The guy on the phone also said thet he has done it before but he knew EXACTLY who had the copy and had it sent back to him to be destroyed.

Edited June 17, 2010 by mjs_mjs
spelling mistake

[Gatt]

interesting.. will keep that in mind next time I am asked to provide my passport for situations like this...

[Sarconia]

As for no Passport, as another no-passport person it makes life harder for them they were OMG you don't have one, we better ask the LEA what we can do as thats the only thing on the list! I gave Driving Licence and a pile of bills, NI card and V5 for my Car I think that covered it all in the end.

 

I have exactly the same problem! I've not yet picked up a passport either... I've travelled around a lot but it was all before I was 16 and I simply travelled on my mum's passport. I don't see the point in having a passport when all you ever use it for is travelling and I'm too cheap to pay for a holiday, lol so I wont be needing one any time soon. Whenever I apply for a job or pretty much anything, the amount of other documents which I have to hand over is ridiculous. Drivers License, Birth Certificate, bills, more bills, other ID cards, argh!

[mjs_mjs]

]to QUOTE from All schools and colleges / Safeguarding / FAQs / About us / Ofsted home / Ofsted - Ofsted

 

Q. Should schools and colleges retain documents that are evidence of identity? Previous advice indicated that schools and colleges should destroy this information.

 

A. This advice is correct.

 

Schools and colleges do not have to retain documents that are evidence of identity, once these documents have been verified and the single central register includes the name of the person who did so. However, please see the following FAQ on evidence of the right to work in the UK and the requirements of the UK Border Agency.

[srochford]

. Whenever I apply for a job or pretty much anything, the amount of other documents which I have to hand over is ridiculous. Drivers License, Birth Certificate, bills, more bills, other ID cards, argh!

 

That's why we should have ID cards :-)

 

I'm sort of joking (because I don't think the proposed scheme was particularly good) but lots of countries do have ID cards and seem to manage OK without massive civil liberties infringements and it does seem to make life easier for them. There ought to be some easy way I can prove to an employer, bank or whatever that I am who I claim to be and then some way they can check that I have a right to work in this country, drive a car, buy booze, keep guns and so on.

[enjay]

lots of countries do have ID cards and seem to manage OK without massive civil liberties infringements and it does seem to make life easier for them

 

I agree with the above, and have no objections to the principle of centralised databases and ID cards - I like renewing my car tax online, and when Mrs Enjay applied for a driving licence recently, it saved some hassle to import her passport photo rather than mess around validating a new photo; I also like the additional "power" which the on-board cameras in Police cars have (e.g. alerting them they've just driven past a council tax evader). My concern is with the handling of the data, i.e. not entrusting it to organisations who have a history of losing such information and mailing non-encrypted hard drives.

[witch]

What bothers me is: how do you prove who you are if you don't have a passport and currently have an old-style driving licence with no pic? Obviously you might have other identification but none of it might be photographic. My elderly mother nearly had that problem all though she eventually found that she DID have a passport. The bank were very sniffy abouit taking other identification.

As for Ofsted, both my schools have been done under the new framework, and both got 'good' - with one getting outstanding for safeguarding, and neither have a copy of my passport - only the number and evidence that two people saw it

[JPS]

This *is* related to Ofsted, as the school is supposed to keep records of right to work, CRB etc... to prove that the safeguarding of children is being done correctly. If it isn't kept up to date and correct, it is an instant 'special measures' - just like if one of our security gates breaks, and we are inspected whilst it isn't fixed, that would be an instant fail too.

 

I think you have to be careful, I'm not sure a broken security gate in itself will immediately fail a school. The school needs to show they are acting appropriately, if other measures are put into place temporarily they will still be safeguarding the children.

 

What the broken gate may do is cause the inspectors to investigate further other safeguarding issues/policies to see whether there are problems, its more of a possible indication that the school isnt doing as it should, rather than an immediate failure.

[mjs_mjs]

I think you have to be careful, I'm not sure a broken security gate in itself will immediately fail a school. The school needs to show they are acting appropriately, if other measures are put into place temporarily they will still be safeguarding the children.

 

My old school didn't and still doesn't have a gate - it's an outstanding school by offsted...

[enjay]

My old school didn't and still doesn't have a gate - it's an outstanding school by offsted...

 

Not having a gate is different to having one which is broken. If you normally have a locked gate then you might only have minimal (or no) access control on the doors, therefore when the gate breaks you are wide open. If, however, you've never had a gate, then you will have decent security on the doors.

 

Even if you have the security controls gate, it still depends whether you use them - I know of one school where you have to be "buzzed in" by Reception, however I hardly ever get challenged there, I just press the button and they let me in!

[mjs_mjs]

Not having a gate is different to having one which is broken. If you normally have a locked gate then you might only have minimal (or no) access control on the doors, therefore when the gate breaks you are wide open. If, however, you've never had a gate, then you will have decent security on the doors.

 

no gate and no security - i could walk freely out onto main road... as could any other student. no fences between classrooms and the outside world.