PiqueABoo Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Interesting little article in there about a report on BSF by "Policy Exchange, a right leaning think-tank" based on interviews with a variety of "stakeholders" The article alleges that "when a draft was leaked to PfS ... it resorted to dirty tricks to silence the criticism ... Interviewees were leaned on to tone down or withdraw their remarks, with the implicit threat that their businesses or careers would suffer if they did not". It goes into more detail. There's a PDF of the presumably toned down report PDF here.. Worth a look, although I suspect some of you will take exception to some of what they say on why ICT should be detached from BSF.
conehead Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 I like this bit. BSF is a bit like buying a new TV – the new set looks great when you put in the corner of your sitting room, but it’s the programmes that actually make you want to keep coming back for more – and after a while, you forget that you have even got a new telly! If the programmes haven’t improved in the meantime, everything goes back to how it used to be.”
Diello Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 Not bad... "This one-size-fits-all approach to ICT is potentially harmful for education, driving out innovation. Some schools have been developing their own ICT systems and programmes, experimenting with innovations such as mobile technology. In such cases ICT is a critical part of changing the way they teach, and schools should be free to explore what works for their pupils. Some headteachers who have tried to opt out of the managed service but have been blocked by PfS are considering taking this to judicial review." ...it's good to see this sort of thing starting to come more often.
broc Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 I think the report sums up Partnership for Schools pretty well
CyberNerd Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 never thought I'd see myself agreeing with a right wing think tank
broc Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 never thought I'd see myself agreeing with a right wing think tank I have to say I agree with you; the trouble is the Govt will dismiss this report outright because of its origin and the fact that it is so critical of what has been/is a flagship policy of theirs.
GrumbleDook Posted August 3, 2009 Posted August 3, 2009 Funny since the ideas for a lot of the Academy program, BSF and Specialist Schools had originally come out of right wing think tanks! Glad to see the report is out there but there is still a big element of blame management going on here.
Face-Man Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 This is a worrying report on lots of levels that would appear to be supporting the use of abacus in schools and going back to the "good old days" Just as the Government has failed to back up the link between buildings and achievement, so too has it failed to provide firm evidence that ICT raises attainment, and failed to provide good suggestions of how to change practice to support teachers using new technology in schools. The government doesn't need to show ICT raises attainment just as it doesn't need to show using a pencil/pen does. ICT is just a tool an everyday basic need for education. I'd have like to see them produce this report without some ICT education !! Now there conclusions about the BSF programme may or may not be correct but with such a negative view of the potential for the use of ICT in schools I think they are best heed this quote The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. Leslie Poles Hartley
torledo Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Funny since the ideas for a lot of the Academy program, BSF and Specialist Schools had originally come out of right wing think tanks! Glad to see the report is out there but there is still a big element of blame management going on here. that's not a surprise at all, as BSF is a PFI project it stands to reason that as a vehicle for more private sector involvement and a method to off-balance sheet spending it originates from such think tanks. the trouble is, it was wholly unnecessary. The govt. can and should have run budget deficits and not worried about how it was going to 'afford' these ambitious school and hospital building projects. Complicating the issue with a PPP just all seems a bit pointless when you look at the current enforced budget deficit and debt as a % of gdp numbers [which have broken all previous voluntarily implemented fiscal rules] The interesting thing is if BSF wasn't PFI what would the ICT element look like, each school individually have given the extra cash to choose as they saw fit ? Or would that never have been an option irrespective of how BSF was to be funded. IT probably would have ended up that too many vested interests at play and the inevitable award of such contracts to private sector MSP's, the whole big is good approach seems to have pervaded public sector procurement.
Butuz Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) The interesting thing is if BSF wasn't PFI what would the ICT element look like, each school individually have given the extra cash to choose as they saw fit ? This is what I have always said - if they gave us the 1.5 to 2 million per school, we would transform ICT in Education too - only we would make a much better job as we would actually implement what each individual school required, and we wouldn't all be wasting Millions on Consultancy, politics and Legal rubbish - we would actually put the money straight into the classrooms!!! Butuz Edited August 17, 2009 by Butuz
sparkeh Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 This is what I have always said - if they gave us the 1.5 to 2 million per school, we would transform ICT in Education too - only we would make a much better job as we would actually implement what each individual school required, and we wouldn't all be wasting Millions on Consultancy, politics and Legal rubbish - we would actually put the money straight into the classrooms!!! I can't say that I totally believe that to be true. Some schools would do a better job and some would wouldn't. I could show you number of schools where money is bably invested in a whole range of projects, for a whole number of reasons. Giving the money directly to the schools does not automatically equal good, sound investments.
Face-Man Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 I can't say that I totally believe that to be true. Some schools would do a better job and some would wouldn't. I could show you number of schools where money is bably invested in a whole range of projects, for a whole number of reasons. Giving the money directly to the schools does not automatically equal good, sound investments. I agree a few schools I know have wasted thousands of pounds on kit nobody uses. Also the other problem with giving school the money direct is that there is no incentive to work together. While good schools do share practice and ideas there is still a reluctance to share staff or resources and genuinely raise educational achievement for all students. For example I heard of a school in Sheffield that had a wonderful solution and employed 7 technicians but want to opt out of BSF as they would be given an inferior solution. Fair enough you might think but why was that model not the one that was repeated across the other school. Why wasn't time and effort not put into an enterprise solution that replicates this best practise ? had this school been involved with the BSF planning process ? I suspect that in every area there is a local school that is getting lots of the challenges of BSF right without the money. BSF would be so much better if these schools were allowed to create cooperatives that meet educational output specification in a sustainable manner. Yes that may mean buying managed elements to the service from third parties and there would have to be performance indicators and somebody with whom the buck stopped. An ideal solution would be a non profit organisation outside the politics of a local authority that could take a ten year plan for educational ICT achievement as it goal and look to transform the way school is done so it is fit for the 21st Century.
torledo Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 I agree a few schools I know have wasted thousands of pounds on kit nobody uses. can't a manged service provider make the same mistakes ? except their mistakes are multipled x number of times if they get it badly wrong as far as solution selection. I don't know, just asking the question. I think what you really need is to employ people at school level with the right experience in procurement and solutions delivery. Ofcourse it would probably mean upping the pay to attract this calibre, and possibly a bit of hand holding of the school senior mgmt during the recruitment process, but atleast these people are then on the payroll......which i've always preferred, direct job creation.
torledo Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 . An ideal solution would be a non profit organisation outside the politics of a local authority that could take a ten year plan for educational ICT achievement as it goal and look to transform the way school is done so it is fit for the 21st Century. what ? a quango ?
srochford Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 I suspect that in every area there is a local school that is getting lots of the challenges of BSF right without the money. BSF would be so much better if these schools were allowed to create cooperatives that meet educational output specification in a sustainable manner. I'm sure you're right. The scary thing is that I remember the early days of IT in schools and you're describing the kind of thing that was going on back then. Does anyone else remember ILECC (London), AUCBE (Hertfordshire) or any of the other LEA based groups that encouraged schools to work together to develop systems and resources? They were all scrapped back in the 1980s when central government decided it was better to let schools directly manage their own money. That meant there was no money available to fund LEA organisations and they all folded. I doubt we'll ever see this sort of working again; George Osborne was talking last week about how a Conservative government would save money in schools by paying private companies to provide even more services at a lower cost than employing people directly. This doesn't suggest that we'll see anything better in educational IT whoever's in power after the next election.
Face-Man Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 can't a manged service provider make the same mistakes ? except their mistakes are multipled x number of times if they get it badly wrong as far as solution selection. I don't know, just asking the question. I think what you really need is to employ people at school level with the right experience in procurement and solutions delivery. Ofcourse it would probably mean upping the pay to attract this calibre, and possibly a bit of hand holding of the school senior mgmt during the recruitment process, but atleast these people are then on the payroll......which i've always preferred, direct job creation. Managed service can make the same mistake the difference is that if they don't meet the performance target for the kit they don't get paid. Also the specification describes and educational outcome which has to be solved rather that x amount of kit that is not linked to classroom. The problem with this is they then don't take any risks on new untried tech and we end up with bog standard solutions (ie M$ office all round). School level expertise is the best solution it unfortunately may also be the most expensive (some schools currently undervalue and underpay ICT staff) and least sustainable (try to replace expertise for undocumented network !!). Shared expertise (as shown by the popularity of edugeek) has to win over.
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