Straw Poll: How close is the BECTA Technical Competencies framework Poll

[rsenior]

Hi Russ,

 

just wondered, what qualifications you had to right jobs descriptions , at the moment I still use the guide lines from the hayes review ,my own knowledge of our college and ICT industry structure and advice from the wife (she’s an employment lawyer) to write job descriptions.

I have the pleasure of working with many schools and colleges, some of the ICT managers and technicians are some of the finest industry professional I have worked with(and I’ve been in the industry along time).There are however many technicians who are paid on grade 2/3 and due to lack of qualifications, lack of experience but worse lack of work ethic are lucky to be getting that.

Surely the challenge is to show that the School/college employed ICT managers and technicians offer a much better quality of service and better value for money than an outside contractor.

 

I wonder just how many ICT Techs are still controlled by the It teacher or how many ICT managers and support have declared their independence(I,ve declared independence) from the Head of IT. Surely a outside contractors and BSF staff will not have the ability to offer the cross curricular support ,support to school/college admin and support and rapid deployment of new and constantly changing initiatives.

 

How many support departments out there carry out duties well beyond that written in their job descriptions .I have outstanding staff who have risen to and achieved every challenge set ,from day to day support , Vle/website ,hardware installations, music technology support ,sims and brocom support ,digital reprographics ,D&T’s CNC machines and cad/cam systems, supporting students of digital learning ,support and training for primay schools,and we even carry out or own cabling and infrastructure.

 

Anyone know of a single contractor can do all that ,I thinks not!!!!!

 

Whoops nearly forgot this does not include any of the management task carried out as well.

 

See you Friday Russ.

Edited July 30, 2009 by rsenior

[russdev]

Hello Mr Senior

 

Right lets take these things a step at a time.

 

Hi Russ,

 

just wondered, what qualifications you had to right jobs descriptions , at the moment I still use the guide lines from the hayes review ,my own knowledge of our college and ICT industry structure and advice from the wife (she’s an employment lawyer) to write job descriptions.

 

Right lets be very clear the JD these will be sample stuff and will what I submit be final thing no as it will then go out to various other people in BECTA, other agencies heck even on here to get views so that a final set can be created.

 

This is also being linked into whole project on competences framework.

 

Why I have been asked some of the reasons. I am have seen more job descriptions that people have had hot dinners, I have more day to day contact with IT support staff around the UK than most people. I have contacts and knowledge (again I know more about overall picture of IT support in schools within the UK). Contrary to popular belief I do not spend all my time sitting on LA working parties I do lot more not seen in public etc.

 

wow that last paragraph sounds big headed but you get the point.

 

Also on last point stuff I am doing for becta is also being fed to local union office to take forward to working party that is rewriting the job descriptions for the county that is not saying mine would be used but they could used as example/base for working party to use as they see fit.

 

 

 

I have the pleasure of working with many schools and colleges, some of the ICT managers and technicians are some of the finest industry professional I have worked with(and I’ve been in the industry along time).There are however many technicians who are paid on grade 2/3 and due to lack of qualifications, lack of experience but worse lack of work ethic are lucky to be getting that.

Surely the challenge is to show that the School/college employed ICT managers and technicians offer a much better quality of service and better value for money than an outside contractor.

 

Some of this I agree and one of reasons I want in the new framework something about ethics.

 

I wonder just how many ICT Techs are still controlled by the It teacher or how many ICT managers and support have declared their independence(I,ve declared independence) from the Head of IT. Surely a outside contractors and BSF staff will not have the ability to offer the cross curricular support ,support to school/college admin and support and rapid deployment of new and constantly changing initiatives.

 

Very good points...

 

How many support departments out there carry out duties well beyond that written in their job descriptions .I have outstanding staff who have risen to and achieved every challenge set ,from day to day support , Vle/website ,hardware installations, music technology support ,sims and brocom support ,digital reprographics ,D&T’s CNC machines and cad/cam systems, supporting students of digital learning ,support and training for primay schools,and we even carry out or own cabling and infrastructure.

 

Anyone know of a single contractor can do all that ,I thinks not!!!!!

 

Again I agree we have already started to think about how we can write that into the framework.

 

Whoops nearly forgot this does not includes any of the management task carried out as well as all that.

 

See you Friday Russ.

 

lol

 

Also got to remember that framework/JD is not here to say about pros and cons of outsourcing but to what it says on the Tin provide a framework that people judge your job on (every sector has to have it teachers do, commercial IT does etc). Reality is that peoples pay and other things is going be decided on frameworks. BECTA and others want to make sure that at least the framework that it is being based is on relevant for people working in education and as wide range of views from people as possible in very short timeframes we have and using me/edugeek solves that problem.

 

Yes will also see you Friday

 

Russ

Edited July 29, 2009 by john
fixed your broken quote box russ