Chrome book or windows Netbook

[genesis]

Hi

 

We are a windows network and and have moved to 0365 and Staff would like some students to use chrome books to access the resource.

 

Will chrome book be compatible to open office applications in our environment?

 

If this is not possible can you email me link to buy windows 10 netbooks and can purchase them and join them the laptops to the school domain..

 

Thanks

[free780]

This might be what @genesis is looking for https://www.stonegroup.co.uk/stone-products/notebooks/stone-cloudbook/

Chrome books may look attractive price wise but if your an Office 365 org you'd have to tie gsuite to azure ad and then manage the Chrome books via gsuite without staff wanting to use gsuite. An AzureAD joined laptop should work a lot better and be more in line with the real world.

[Ditto]

Hi

We are a windows network and and have moved to 0365 and Staff would like some students to use chrome books to access the resource.

Will chrome book be compatible to open office applications in our environment?

If this is not possible can you email me link to buy windows 10 netbooks and can purchase them and join them the laptops to the school domain..

Thanks

Why do they want them to use Chromebooks? If you want to experience GSuite and Google/Android apps, Chromebooks make a lot of sense. If you tie down to Windows stack it makes less sense. In an ideal world, they'd benefit from what I call a blended experience, but that costs, not just hardware, but support. Most of the time I think a school will either go for Windows platform and MS (O365 etc.) or GSuite and Chromebooks.

[free780]

It would be great if Microsoft could produce and sell a surface at £200-250 for shared use with fast first logins but I think the focus is on 1:1 devices.

[ictgoodpractice]

What if Chromebooks use just the web office 365. Eg Primary school. Does that work?

[Ditto]

I guess it could but I think you'd be missing out on the collaboration strength of Google Docs, Sheets Slides etc. - along with things like the version history functionality.

[free780]

You can Co author in Word Online. Onedrive does version history.

[Ditto]

It can and I think having competition in the market is healthy. Both have their strengths and you can get views online with a "X versus y" comparison. For me, within education, cost is critical.

[free780]

Yes MS seem to be moving to a subscription per user model. To truly provide security you need to be on Microsoft 365 A5 which is a cost. The danger is that are we preparing students for the workplace where G Suite won't be the standard hybrid cloud platform. Maybe a Chrome Edge book is in development.

[Ditto]

Not sure what you mean by "Chrome Edge book"? If you mean something like a Surface, well I saw the result of one of those being given to a pupil recently. £400+ piece of kit, cracked screen with a somewhat 'bottom-like' bend! It had been in use for less than a month - didn't go down well! As for whether schools are providing pupils with the right skills, that's probably one to start in another thread.

[Arthur]

Maybe a Chrome Edge book is in development.

Not sure what you mean by "Chrome Edge book"?

Microsoft are working on a new OS that will be used on Chromebook-style devices next year. It might not even be called Windows, but it will have their new Chromium-based Edge browser.

 

www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3075004/windows-lite-2020-release-date

 

The paired down version of Windows, unofficially christened 'Windows Lite' may not be seen until 2020, according to rumours from inside Microsoft.

 

There had been speculation that we would see a preview of the new operating system at the upcoming Microsoft Build conference, but it now seems that we'll be waiting a lot longer.

 

A tweet by Tom Warren of The Verge says:

 

Microsoft won't be talking about Windows Lite or Core OS at Build keynotes. An event later this year would make sense for that, if it's ready in time — Tom Warren (@tomwarren) 27 April 2019

Windows Lite was conceived as Microsoft's answer to the rise of the Chromebook, a low cost, stripped back version of the operating system that we're all used to, without the bits that most users would never need.

 

Core OS, meanwhile, is a new framework for Windows which will allow changes to be built at a modular level, making it easy to create new builds of Windows that only change relevant segments. It also means that devices running Windows 10 IoT Core and Windows Lite can receive an operating system that has been customised, rather than built from the ground up.

 

Microsoft is keen to step into the gap in the market that Google exploited with the launch of ChromeOS, with an eye to getting back some of the ground lost in the education sector, where the Google alternative is becoming increasingly popular.

 

Some sources are suggesting that the delay isn't with Windows Lite per se, but rather the migration of the native Edge browser from its current engine to the Google-owned Chromium engine.

 

The 2020 date assumes that we'll be waiting for the next Build, not the upcoming one, but its equally possible that Windows Lite will emerge in a dedicated event later in the year, as Microsoft and its OEM network try to capitalise on the Christmas market.

 

www.windowscentral.com/windows-core-os

 

Santorini, also known as "Windows Lite," is a flavor of Windows Core OS that appears to be for multiple different device types. Because of this, Santorini has sub-codenames that Microsoft uses to describe the differing Santorini shell experiences you can expect to see depending on what kind of device the OS is running on.

 

Microsoft is building out Santorini as the version of Windows Core OS that runs on consumer and education foldable PCs, laptops, and 2-in-1 tablets. It may even eventually show up on Microsoft's mythical Andromeda device. It's a new take on what Windows can be, introducing a brand new user experience that's a little more like Chrome OS and less like old-school Windows. It has deep ties with web experiences and puts universal Windows apps front and center, with the ultimate goal of having everything in the Microsoft Store runnable on Santorini.

 

Santorini features a centered taskbar experience, similar to that on the Surface Hub 2X. There's a simple app launcher that doesn't feature live tiles, which lists your installed apps from the Microsoft Store or pinned websites. I'm also told that Windows Sets has a pivotal role in the overall Santorini experience, with apps and websites running under tabbed windows that also get grouped as such in the taskbar.

 

From what we've seen regarding Santorini, it doesn't use the Windows logo for its Start button. Instead, Santorini uses the Microsoft logo, which suggests this version of Windows Core OS won't be dubbed a "Windows" product. This is a great idea, as it allows Microsoft to branch out and try new things, without all the legacy expectations.

 

It will even have a similar A/B system partition just like Chrome OS and Android. About time!

 

One of the big things Microsoft has been working towards with Windows Core OS is an improved Windows Update system that installs updates in the background and requires less than a minute to restart once those updates are ready to do so.

 

How it works is very similar to how Android and Chrome OS do updates today. On those platforms, the OS runs in two separate mirrored partitions, and when an update is ready to install, the update is downloaded and installed to the offline partition that you're currently not using. When that's done, the OS will ask you to restart, and while it may look like you're just rebooting, what's actually happening is you're booting into the partition that just spent 25 minutes installing an update in the background.

 

Windows Core OS keeps system updates to under a minute.

 

It boots right up, as if there was never an update waiting to be installed, and that's because all the installing has already been done while you were busy using the other online partition. Now, you've booted into the partition where the update is installed, and the partition you were just in becomes the offline partition for newer updates to be installed to down the line.

 

This should solve one of the big issues Windows has when it comes to updates. Updates can usually take anywhere between 5 to 30 minutes to install, and even longer on older devices. Windows Core OS solves this problem by making it so the user isn't unable to use their PC for no longer than a minute. It simply restarts like normal, and you're back up and running again.

[free780]

The better not called it Windows.

Windows RT - confused users

Windows 10 S - confused users.

[Ditto]

The name is a real dilemma. They obviously would like to appeal to Windows users, hence the desire to have the name linked to that heritage. Equally, they'll want to distance themselves from the full heavyweight OS perception, to create the image of a light, fast, easily upgraded product. I'm not sure linking to the browser name (as Google did) would be great - "EdgeOS" anyone? Oh darn, Ubiquiti already have that one

[mavhc]

Obviously no point trying to prepare pupils for a specific website/software package. Make them use multiple systems, learn the similarities and differences, get them to pick the best one for that specific job. It'll all change by next year, let alone in 5/10/15 years time when they leave school.

 

Pretty hard to tell why people think that apps run in html and javascript to emulate native code need fewer resources, online office apps take more ram and cpu than native. And more bandwidth of course.

 

Especially if you're set up to image laptops into your domain, it's not much work to add more of them.

 

Now if you're going to go with web only laptops like Chromebooks, don't try to use them to replicate the old ways of working, use their new abilities to your advantage. Fast installs of updates, 2 copies of OS so it just overwrites the other one and reboots. Web management (need to pay for management licence, about £20 for schools I think). But if you're not letting pupils work online, submit work online etc, and still want them to submit on paper like it's 1919 not 2019, there's little point.

 

Source https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295210667_Teachers'_First-Year_Experience_with_Chromebook_Laptops_and_Their_Attitudes_Towards_Technology_Integration

[free780]

When I was at school. I learnt to write html in notepad and test in netscape. I also learnt office programmes by not the Microsoft ones some on Acorns. I also learnt on BBC Micros and that a computer is a fast idiot it will do what you tell it to do. Also a male connector goes into a female connector and if you think otherwise you've been watching too much channel 4. But back to the thread yes the processes of software are similar and students need exposure to a variety of systems. Some teachers insit on using dreamweaver but the vast amount of websites use a CMS.

[mavhc]

Using a CMS requires IT support, or DevOps knowledge, plus it's not 20 years old. I teach html, first in notepad to make it obvious it's just a text file, nothing special. Add a quick bit of CSS. Then switch to Adobe Brackets, live preview, and then demo using Wordpress on the....TV? They can sign up for their own wordpress accounts and make their own websites if they want in their own time. Point out how javascript interacts with both, but no time to learn that as well as Python.

 

For internal project work it's usually Google Sites.

[SuperChris1980]

Hi

 

As previously posted our Cloudbook would do this and it looks great too! Let me know and I'll get a quote across to you

 

Kind Regards

[ictgoodpractice]

The Surface go, a little more in price looks interesting. But I am thinking primary schools. I believe you can host the on machine office 365 as it can have 128gb and 8gb ram and it's a tablet too.