mjk Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 Get some high end PC's and dismiss the idea of even looking at Apple kit. A good spec PC will run all that and more without breaking sweat. Its easier install, manage and maintain, is half the price and is compatible with everything else. Strip away all the bling from a mac and you have an expensive underpowered PC running a custom OS. I think if you are going to bash apple you should improve your arguments, although I agree they are vastly overpriced. Macs are not difficult to manage or maintain if you know what you are doing, and macos is really quite compatible with other *nix operating systems (which is pretty much everything that is not windows). A better argument against Apple is that they routinely screw their customers. Their hardware design is terrible, and they repeat their design mistakes into other products. They intend that their machines are unfixable and build in obsolescence directly into their machines. The problem is that the hardware is poor quality, not that they are difficult to manage. If you want to learn more about apple hardware this guy is worth watching:
DalekSec Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 I think if you are going to bash apple you should improve your arguments, although I agree they are vastly overpriced. Macs are not difficult to manage or maintain if you know what you are doing, and macos is really quite compatible with other *nix operating systems (which is pretty much everything that is not windows). Agreed, today I've setup an MDM for nearly scratch, did a few bits and bobs over the last few weeks but decided to focus on it this morning. I have the MDM ready to go and for all our iMacs in just over 2 hours. I expect most windows admins take longer than that just on the Start menu alone! Not to menu having to setup other tools like SCCM and Group Policy. Macs are a ton easier to manage. As for you point on hardware bar iPad screens i've had to deal with a ton more hardware problems with Windows devices than Mac, the only Mac one i can remember in my 4 years so far is a swallon battery that caused a track pad not to work.
mjk Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 @DalekSec watch that video if you want to see some of the hardware scams that apple get upto
DalekSec Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 @DalekSec watch that video if you want to see some of the hardware scams that apple get upto I never denied they do it, i just said it's never happened to me
Brimstone Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 Get some high end PC's and dismiss the idea of even looking at Apple kit. A good spec PC will run all that and more without breaking sweat. Its easier install, manage and maintain, is half the price and is compatible with everything else. Strip away all the bling from a mac and you have an expensive underpowered PC running a custom OS. Windows is compatible with everything.....? I'd like to see you easily configure a Windows box to run macOS, unlike a mac that can run Windows? 1
ozydave Posted May 18, 2018 Author Posted May 18, 2018 why would you want to ruin a perfectly good windows machine by putting macOS on it!!! **I'll get my coat**
sted Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 why would you want to ruin a perfectly good windows machine by putting macOS on it!!! **I'll get my coat** its not impossible ive done it out of curiosity years ago I had osx 10.4 (I think) running on my hp laptop it worked fine apart from I had to use a usb wifi card and until I updated it
Farloch Posted May 21, 2018 Posted May 21, 2018 I think if you are going to bash apple you should improve your arguments, although I agree they are vastly overpriced. Macs are not difficult to manage or maintain if you know what you are doing, and macos is really quite compatible with other *nix operating systems (which is pretty much everything that is not windows). I could go on all day about why Apple products would never be on my Christmas list but I just opted for a quick post. I'm not saying that Macs are difficult to manage or maintain. I manage a huge number of ipads across multiple schools and for the most part this works well. When it doesn't I could cheerfully throw them off the roof. What I am saying is that the majority of schools are more likely to be on a windows domain with windows clients and deploying the software mentioned would be far easier using windows clients rather than using Macs and would give you a lot more kit for your cash. I totally agree that Macos is compatible with other *nix operating systems but Apple notoriously does not play nice with Microsoft and its no consolation to know that your Apple kit is fully compatible with a vast array of operating systems your school is not actually using.
DalekSec Posted May 21, 2018 Posted May 21, 2018 I could go on all day about why Apple products would never be on my Christmas list Because asking something for Christmas that is over £300 is a bit needy? No more arguments needed
Farloch Posted May 21, 2018 Posted May 21, 2018 Windows is compatible with everything.....? I'd like to see you easily configure a Windows box to run macOS, unlike a mac that can run Windows? I don't remember actually saying it was, but in a windows environment Windows is definitely compatible with Windows and you would get more for your money in terms of kit and performance using PC's. A Mac uses the same architecture as a PC so yes windows will run happily on a Mac without much fuss as Microsoft support the hardware. The fact it doesn't easily work the other way around says more about Apple than it does about Microsoft. We dual boot Macs because when we have finished playing on a Mac we can boot to windows to get some work done. Why would you choose to run MacOS on a pc? Surely if you wanted a *nix OS you would install one rather than an Apple variant.
mavhc Posted May 21, 2018 Posted May 21, 2018 The main problem is the doubling of the time needed to support 2 OSes. Is that worth the ability to run the 3 apps that aren't on Windows?
Farloch Posted May 21, 2018 Posted May 21, 2018 Because asking something for Christmas that is over £300 is a bit needy? No more arguments needed I have expensive tastes ;-)
mavhc Posted May 21, 2018 Posted May 21, 2018 I have expensive tastes ;-) OK, I'll let you lick this iphone as your christmas present
Farloch Posted May 21, 2018 Posted May 21, 2018 OK, I'll let you lick this iphone as your christmas present Ha ha - as long as there is nothing congealed on the screen
mikkydoos Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 I have expensive tastes to but I'm not a prat enough to buy 30 macbooks lol. @ozydave pplleeaaasseee don't let the muppets push this one on you. 1
mavhc Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 We have 6 macbook airs somewhere, they have 64GB ssds, because they're non standard can't upgrade them, so kinda useless
Arthur Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) We have 6 macbook airs somewhere, they have 64GB SSDs, because they're non standard can't upgrade them, so kinda useless The SSDs in the Late 2010 and Mid 2011 MacBook Airs can be upgraded with a larger capacity Apple SSD. A 128GB drive costs ~$112.35. https://beetstech.com/product/solid-state-drive-a1369-a1370-2010-2011 www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=THNSNC128GMDJ or £116.62 for 256GB... www.flexxmemory.co.uk/apple-mac-hard-drives-ssds/transcend-jetdrive-500-240gb-ssd-upgrade-kit-for-macbook-air-11-and-13-inch-late-2010-mid-2011-ts240gjdm500/ Edited May 22, 2018 by Arthur
mikkydoos Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 The SSDs in the Late 2010 and Mid 2011 MacBook Airs can be upgraded with a larger capacity Apple SSD. A 128GB drive costs ~$112.35. https://beetstech.com/product/solid-state-drive-a1369-a1370-2010-2011 www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=THNSNC128GMDJ Thats an M.2 SATA isn't it?
Arthur Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Thats an M.2 SATA isn't it? Proprietary mSATA unfortunately. Edited May 22, 2018 by Arthur
mjk Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 Proprietary mSATA unfortunately. and second hand at that.
mavhc Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 The SSDs in the Late 2010 and Mid 2011 MacBook Airs can be upgraded with a larger capacity Apple SSD. A 128GB drive costs ~$112.35. https://beetstech.com/product/solid-state-drive-a1369-a1370-2010-2011 www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=THNSNC128GMDJ or £116.62 for 256GB... www.flexxmemory.co.uk/apple-mac-hard-drives-ssds/transcend-jetdrive-500-240gb-ssd-upgrade-kit-for-macbook-air-11-and-13-inch-late-2010-mid-2011-ts240gjdm500/ Yeah, I did mean can't upgrade for a sane price
Arthur Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 and second hand at that. It is possible to get new drives too. That said, when purchasing Macs for my school I always overspec them so things like this aren't an issue in the future.
mavhc Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 Can't reuse them in any other machines either when those laptops are too slow
Arthur Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 Yeah, I did mean can't upgrade for a sane price Have you considered installing Linux on the old MacBook Airs? At least they wouldn't end up unused.
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