jtotheb Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 That's an interesting idea. I may have a play with that tomorrow! My main concern is that I want the remote repo to be "offline", so it can't be affected by Ransomware. I'm playing with CloudBerry at the moment, as that doesn't mount anything locally I don't think. They do make a drive product, but the regular CloudBerry backup we use essentially checks the backup folder for changes and then uploads them to Glacier (make sure you use forward incrementals!).
jtotheb Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 How does it cope with deleting old incrementals? You define it in the backup plan. e.g. if files have been removed from local storage remove after x days.
localzuk Posted March 9, 2017 Author Posted March 9, 2017 Well, CloudBerry seems to work quite nicely so far in my test. I think I will be using Azure Blob (cold) storage with CloudBerry Ultimate, and Veeam B&R as our backup solution from now on. Now just to sort out the onsite backup infrastructure to handle 3x the data.
mjk Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Google do a neat calculator for coldline storage vs glacier https://cloud.google.com/pricing/tco/storage-nearline#id=476addfa-f945-4a81-a65f-6ba9287a9b47
PotNoodleTech Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Makes me wonder if you are better off just co-locating a server/nas in a proper datacentre. That way your always in full control with no middle men - and if the worst comes to the worst in a disaster, you could actually drive to the datacentre and grab the physical server and bring it back with you!
mjk Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Makes me wonder if you are better off just co-locating a server/nas in a proper datacentre. That way your always in full control with no middle men - and if the worst comes to the worst in a disaster, you could actually drive to the datacentre and grab the physical server and bring it back with you! The cheapest option might be to team up with the school down the road, buy each other the same model NAS and store them at each others sites. Then again you'll probably endup paying more for 2X systems than you would for the coldline/glacier service.
localzuk Posted March 9, 2017 Author Posted March 9, 2017 Makes me wonder if you are better off just co-locating a server/nas in a proper datacentre. That way your always in full control with no middle men - and if the worst comes to the worst in a disaster, you could actually drive to the datacentre and grab the physical server and bring it back with you! That costs rather a lot usually. This sort of product might be suitable though - https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/storagebox/bx60. A nice fixed cost, EU datacentre, no complex rules regarding retention, and the ability to "snapshot" your backup so you have a backup of it.
NB9457 Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 That costs rather a lot usually. This sort of product might be suitable though - https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/storagebox/bx60. A nice fixed cost, EU datacentre, no complex rules regarding retention, and the ability to "snapshot" your backup so you have a backup of it. That almost seems too good to be true! Very good price, have you used them at all?
localzuk Posted March 9, 2017 Author Posted March 9, 2017 That almost seems too good to be true! Very good price, have you used them at all? I've used Hetzner for my own hosting stuff in the past, and I believe Edugeek used them too at one point. 1
NB9457 Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 I've used Hetzner for my own hosting stuff in the past, and I believe Edugeek used them too at one point. May be worth a look in too, we have a lot of data so at that price with unlimited ingoing traffic, seems extremely reasonable!
mjk Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 That almost seems too good to be true! Very good price, have you used them at all? It might be too good to be true if they haven't even filled in the DfE self review (page 12) https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/596472/Cloud-services-software-dept-advice-24.pdf You could easily find yourself in hot water if you've not made the appropriate checks amd something went wrong. At least with Azure/Google these have been completed for you.
ZeroHour Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 That almost seems too good to be true! Very good price, have you used them at all? I've used Hetzner for my own hosting stuff in the past, and I believe Edugeek used them too at one point. Just to confirm, before we moved to AWS we used to use Hetzner for our hosting, we had no real complaints other than it could take a week or 2 to get a new server provisioned which was a problem for scaling for us otherwise they were very good. We had a drive failure (it was mirrored) and they replaced it within a day. They did have a few network issues over the course of the several years but it really was very minimal and we were always in the loop about what was going on.
ZeroHour Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 That almost seems too good to be true! Very good price, have you used them at all? I've used Hetzner for my own hosting stuff in the past, and I believe Edugeek used them too at one point. Just to confirm, before we moved to AWS we used to use Hetzner for our hosting, we had no real complaints other than it could take a week or 2 to get a new server provisioned which was a problem for scaling for us otherwise they were very good. We had a drive failure (it was mirrored) and they replaced it within a day. They did have a few network issues over the course of the several years but it really was very minimal and we were always in the loop about what was going on.
Michael_Redstor Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Just to add my two pennies worth, GDPR comes into effect next May and you must have the ability to comply with the 'right to be forgotten'. Essentially this means you must have granularity within your backups in order to remove specific files relating to an incident/person. This makes pretty much most tape backups redundant and non-compliant. Also, there are not a lot of cloud providers who have this ability as well. I've provided a link below that outlines the general rules around GDPR and children's data in-particular. https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/data-protection-reform/overview-of-the-gdpr/individuals-rights/the-right-to-erasure/ Edited March 10, 2017 by Michael_Redstor
Michael_Redstor Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Just to add my two pennies worth, GDPR comes into effect next May and you must have the ability to comply with the 'right to be forgotten'. Essentially this means you must have granularity within your backups in order to remove specific files relating to an incident/person. This makes pretty much most tape backups redundant and non-compliant. Also, there are not a lot of cloud providers who have this ability as well. I've provided a link below that outlines the general rules around GDPR and children's data in-particular. https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/data-protection-reform/overview-of-the-gdpr/individuals-rights/the-right-to-erasure/ Edited March 10, 2017 by Michael_Redstor
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