sparkeh Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Sorry if this scenario has been addressed before but just wanted to get clarification on this: So, as I read it, if I upgrade all our Win 7 and 8.1 machines via the upgrade mechanism, before July 29th 2016, I am free to reinstall Win 10 on those devices in the future: Can I reinstall Windows 10 on my PC after upgrading? Yes. Once you’ve upgraded to Windows 10 using the free upgrade offer, you can reinstall or perform a clean installation on the same device. You won’t need a product key to re-activate Windows 10 on the same hardware. For more information about how to create your own Windows 10 installation media, go to the Microsoft software download website. Does this include reimaging rights as well? Does this all sound right?
FN-GM Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 I did an upgrade and then a new install by formatting the drive. It activated automatically just fine. 1
ZeroHour Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Yes pretty much for all, currently you must do an upgrade install before doing a clean install which activates the hardware for a Windows 10 license from the old license but when Threshold comes out in a month it will allow you to directly enter a Windows 7/8 key when installing Windows 10. 3
Michael Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 You can do this, but it's a lot of work. If it's for a school, a Volume License Agreement is definitely the way forward, as it covers the likes of Office and Server OSes too. 1
sparkeh Posted October 26, 2015 Author Posted October 26, 2015 Yes pretty much for all, currently you must do an upgrade install before doing a clean install which activates the hardware for a Windows 10 license from the old license but when Threshold comes out in a month it will allow you to directly enter a Windows 7/8 key when installing Windows 10. Oh now that is interesting, thanks!
sparkeh Posted October 26, 2015 Author Posted October 26, 2015 You can do this, but it's a lot of work. If it's for a school, a Volume License Agreement is definitely the way forward, as it covers the likes of Office and Server OSes too. We licence server, office and sccm through EES and would love to add windows to our agreement but apparently my time is best spent manually upgrading all our machines :/
Arthur Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Since you have SCCM... scconfigmgr.com/2015/10/26/deploy-windows-10-enterprise-using-in-place-upgrade blogs.technet.com/b/configmgrteam/archive/2015/06/16/revised-content-for-the-win10-in-place-upgrade-via-task-sequence-for-configmgr.aspx 1
Gaz Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Yes pretty much for all, currently you must do an upgrade install before doing a clean install which activates the hardware for a Windows 10 license from the old license but when Threshold comes out in a month it will allow you to directly enter a Windows 7/8 key when installing Windows 10. That didn't work for me, I had to call MS who then gave me a new key for Win10, but I guess that means I can use the key on any hardware not just the hardware I currently have. (im talking about at home)
ZeroHour Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 That didn't work for me, I had to call MS who then gave me a new key for Win10, but I guess that means I can use the key on any hardware not just the hardware I currently have. (im talking about at home) It will only work with the next major release called threshold. Its not out yet but it is due in November. 1
Gaz Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 Too late for me now, or does this mean I now have another Windows 10 key? xD I'll assume they deactivated my Win7 key when they gave me the Win10 key.
Michael Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 We licence server, office and sccm through EES and would love to add windows to our agreement but apparently my time is best spent manually upgrading all our machines :/ You're joking right? You also have to factor in that every device needs a different MAK when activating.
sparkeh Posted October 28, 2015 Author Posted October 28, 2015 You're joking right? You also have to factor in that every device needs a different MAK when activating. Joking? No. They will accept the argument for an EES agreement for Office, Server and SCCM but not Windows. Go figure. Also, all the machines have OEM keys, so I though the idea was that if you performed an upgrade then the current licence/key is used to activate Win 10? After that you can perform clean install using the OEM key. Not ideal I grant you but a way forward. Just to throw something else into the mix, with Windows 7 you could buy a minimum number of volume licences which gave you imaging rights on all your machines with a qualifying licence. Is this still an option that is offered?
Michael Posted October 28, 2015 Posted October 28, 2015 Joking? No. They will accept the argument for an EES agreement for Office, Server and SCCM but not Windows. Go figure. Also, all the machines have OEM keys, so I though the idea was that if you performed an upgrade then the current licence/key is used to activate Win 10? After that you can perform clean install using the OEM key. Not ideal I grant you but a way forward. Just to throw something else into the mix, with Windows 7 you could buy a minimum number of volume licences which gave you imaging rights on all your machines with a qualifying licence. Is this still an option that is offered? You could try and win them over in saying that you're only upgrading Windows Professional and not Windows Education. You can only upgrade Home or Pro (as far as I'm aware). The problem you have is you're going to need to do an upgrade first, then a clean install afterwards to make sure everything works smoothly. Otherwise you're going to install the likes of Office 2016 manually which is going to be tedious too! I've had similar problems in the past - explaining that installing Office manually (if you consider all the manual clicks required), it's just as well to re-image everything and include a whole addition of other new applications in the process. I think the minimum number for an EES agreement is something in the region of 5-10 Staff, but don't quote me on that. I don't support a site this small. I bet the cost to provide Windows on top of your existing EES agreement is a matter of pounds, surely?
sparkeh Posted October 28, 2015 Author Posted October 28, 2015 I bet the cost to provide Windows on top of your existing EES agreement is a matter of pounds, surely? I am in the process of getting quotes again. I have managed to add something on every year so fingers crossed at renewal time I can sneak on the Windows part
sparkeh Posted October 29, 2015 Author Posted October 29, 2015 Ok, so I got costings, I grabbed the relevant people, laid out the benefits (again) of an OVS-ES agreement for Windows...and it was agreed Perhaps they got fed up me banging on about it
Michael Posted October 29, 2015 Posted October 29, 2015 Ok, so I got costings, I grabbed the relevant people, laid out the benefits (again) of an OVS-ES agreement for Windows...and it was agreed Perhaps they got fed up me banging on about it Good job
George1 Posted October 29, 2015 Posted October 29, 2015 I've had similar problems in the past - explaining that installing Office manually (if you consider all the manual clicks required), it's just as well to re-image everything and include a whole addition of other new applications in the process. I strongly approve of imaging however, no need for too many manual clicks for Office. Create a configuration file (simple or complicated) and then use it with a command such as G:\SETUP /ADMINFILE C:\users\CHRIS\Documents\O_STD_13.MSP
Michael Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 I've had similar problems in the past - explaining that installing Office manually (if you consider all the manual clicks required), it's just as well to re-image everything and include a whole addition of other new applications in the process. I strongly approve of imaging however, no need for too many manual clicks for Office. Create a configuration file (simple or complicated) and then use it with a command such as G:\SETUP /ADMINFILE C:\users\CHRIS\Documents\O_STD_13.MSP I'm aware of this too, but generally find it easier to include on a base image, along with all other required applications
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