Upgrading to Maverick

[HarrisonJones]

Hi, I was wondering whether upgrading to Mavericks is the best way to go? we currently have Mountain Lion but have heard a lot of other schools in the area have had problems with Maverick on the server side.

[Quackers]

Considering Yosemite is out any day now i would hold off and skip Mavericks.

[HarrisonJones]

The support for Yosemite will be very scarce though especially with a Hybrid server set up

[Crumpet]

I haven't had any issues with workstations, but the newer version of OSX Server needs to be purchased from the app store @£13.99 if you plan to update the server to Mavericks.

[Brimstone]

Hi, I was wondering whether upgrading to Mavericks is the best way to go? we currently have Mountain Lion but have heard a lot of other schools in the area have had problems with Maverick on the server side.

 

 

If the Macs are bound to AD then don't go anywhere near Mavericks, lots of issues with permissions, ACL's and SMB

[HarrisonJones]

If the Macs are bound to AD then don't go anywhere near Mavericks, lots of issues with permissions, ACL's and SMB

Do you reckon Yosemite will be the same?

[Norphy]

If the Macs are bound to AD then don't go anywhere near Mavericks, lots of issues with permissions, ACL's and SMB

 

While I don't doubt for a second that you're having problems, I don't think that you should be so quick to tell him to keep away. I manage around 80 Macs on our network, they all run Mavericks and they're all joined to AD. I won't insult you by saying that there's no problems with them as that would be a lie but they behave themselves perfectly well for the most part. I've had no issues with ACLs and SMB, the only issue that I've had recently was due to my management layer.

 

I will say that they're not joined to an Open Directory domain though, we manage them exclusively through AD and SCCM.

 

to @HarrisonJones I'd say to test it and give it a go. But I'd also put Yosemite on them as well, you may as well go with the latest version.

[Brimstone]

While I don't doubt for a second that you're having problems, I don't think that you should be so quick to tell him to keep away. I manage around 80 Macs on our network, they all run Mavericks and they're all joined to AD. I won't insult you by saying that there's no problems with them as that would be a lie but they behave themselves perfectly well for the most part. I've had no issues with ACLs and SMB, the only issue that I've had recently was due to my management layer.

 

I will say that they're not joined to an Open Directory domain though, we manage them exclusively through AD and SCCM.

 

to @HarrisonJones I'd say to test it and give it a go. But I'd also put Yosemite on them as well, you may as well go with the latest version.

 

Really......Whilst you can use workarounds the following support threads may make you think again. Yosemite will default to SMB3 for file sharing (we have not tested this yet ourselves with AD bound Macs)

 

MacWindows: Mavericks File Sharing Tips and Reports

 

https://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?q=smb+mavericks*&resultTypes=message&showOnlyAnswered=true

[ass17]

I have issues where a user logs in and it creates the relevant folders like Library, Documents, Desktop in the users home folder, but doesn't follow windows ACLs so when I browse the folder in a windows server I get permission denied even though the permissions are correct. If the user puts files/folders on the Mac desktop they go invisible, if I reset the permissions on windows and the folder reappears. Would love an answer

[Brimstone]

I have issues where a user logs in and it creates the relevant folders like Library, Documents, Desktop in the users home folder, but doesn't follow windows ACLs so when I browse the folder in a windows server I get permission denied even though the permissions are correct. If the user puts files/folders on the Mac desktop they go invisible, if I reset the permissions on windows and the folder reappears. Would love an answer

 

 

This is down to the bug in question, a user can Get Info on a remote file to view permissions and all Windows permissions are shown as "Custom." If the user clicks the "custom" text and attempts to change the permissions or even just clicks back off with no modifications it kills all the permissions on the server. Removes 'everyone' permissions and 'creator owner' such that no one could access the file, even Domain Administrators. Attempting the view on the server side reports the ACLs are incorrectly ordered and gives an access denied error.

[Quackers]

Is this still present in 10.9.5 ? I know it was in 10.9.4 but 10.9.5 has SMB fixes as one of its core features, not sure if they fixed the permission issue in with that.

[Brimstone]

Is this still present in 10.9.5 ? I know it was in 10.9.4 but 10.9.5 has SMB fixes as one of its core features, not sure if they fixed the permission issue in with that.

 

 

In a word...no.

 

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6541902

Does the final Mavericks update fix SMB file sharing

 

Apple have said they do not even know when a planned fix for this will be in place.

[ass17]

The only way around it is to replicate the full folder structure that is created when an AD user logs in.

 

I would script it on a windows server to loop through each user home directory and create the folder structures.

 

I haven't done it on mass yet but in theory is should work

 

Or I can wait until Yosemite server and upgrade the server and clients.

[Mustang]

If i were you i would download a copy of mavericks now because Apple tend to hide the previous operating system from the App Store for a number of weeks when they release the latest operating system. This will give you the option to have it at hand it needed.

 

We currently have 300 Macs running Mavericks and i would stay they run pretty smoothly, all Macs are joined to AD and users use there AD username/password to authenticate against a number of resources (Printers, Shares, Websites) without any issues.

We did suffer from the permissions issue in testing but this only affects users when the Mac is setup to use network homes, we have since moved away from network home and now run local homes with the users network home share mounted at login. You will actually find a that some of the Apple applications and all of the Adobe Creative applications don't support using network home, another major advantage of this setup is its much quicker as almost everything is local.

 

The only issue i am currently aware of is that a number of Macs (12) when resuming from sleep won't allow network login, this is cured with a reboot which isn't much of an issue as these machines have SSD's and reboot in under 10 seconds.

 

All in all i would recommend Mavericks but i suggest that you do some serious testing first because as stated by other people in the thread there are a number of issues that may or may not affect you.

 

As for Yosemite, we are currently using the beta version and SMB performance has massively improved but as i am sure you know everyone avoid Apples first couple of point revisions as they are normally very buggy and it takes a while for application support.

[geekgirl]

An update all at? Anyone experiencing issues still? I know the update 10.9.5 may of fixed certain issues eg SMB.

 

We are looking to upgrade our Mac Mini server from Mountain Lion (10.8.5) to Mavericks (10.9.5) in the Christmas Holidays and then the 15 clients (currently 10.8.5). Is there anything we need to be looking out for so we can pre-empt? We don't want to upgrade to Yosemite (10.10) yet as we have heard some horror stories.

 

Any known compatibility issues with this software at all:

Server Software: Star Deploy Suite and Server App (which will have to be updated via App Store for £13.99).

Client Software: Bootpicker (heard it works for some and not for others), Bootcamp, Garageband, Logic Express 9, PhotoScore Lite and Sibelius 6.

[davidacland]

We are using 10.9.5 at lots of our clients sites, all working with AD ok.

 

We have tried using Yosemite but its a bit of a disaster at the moment. We're sticking with 10.9.5 until Apple can work out some of the bugs.

[Brimstone]

We are using 10.9.5 at lots of our clients sites, all working with AD ok.

 

We have tried using Yosemite but its a bit of a disaster at the moment. We're sticking with 10.9.5 until Apple can work out some of the bugs.

 

 

David,

 

I presume that's with ExtremeZ-IP on the Windows side as there is no permissions fix yet for SMB?