Is it me ? Twitter

[mattx]

All this fuss over twitter....

If you don't like it, don't use it !!

No one is forcing you. Move on.....

[GREED]

Well said!

 

However, isn't the point more about if you want to use it and being abused...

 

I do like it how there has to be 'easier reporting features' available... always it has to be a big red button so large it fills half the screen... because current reporting facilities are too hard to find/use???

[teejay]

So if a bloke on twitter tells a woman he's going to rape her, it's her fault and she should not use twitter?

So if a bloke in a pub tells a woman he's going to rape her, it's her fault and she should not go in a pub?

So if a bloke in the street tells a woman because she's wearing a short skirt he's going to rape her, it's her fault and she should cover up?

Shall I continue?????

[GREED]

So if a bloke on twitter tells a woman he's going to rape her, it's her fault and she should not use twitter?

So if a bloke in a pub tells a woman he's going to rape her, it's her fault and she should not go in a pub?

So if a bloke in the street tells a woman because she's wearing a short skirt he's going to rape her, it's her fault and she should cover up?

Shall I continue?????

 

Please... do

 

I'm kidding!

[teejay]

Oh that's ok, the continuation was sending Billy Bob round with his gimp mask and strap on

[GREED]

Bahahaha

[localzuk]

Not sure how the old tools were hard to find. I've used them before - just go to the idiot's profile, click the little icon and click report?

 

Edit: ah, that's just spam. They should add a general report button in the same place.

[plexer]

Not quite sure the point of this thread from you matt.

 

It's not a case of if you don't like it don't use it especially when someone was threatened with rape via it please take your bigotted views and keep them to yourself.

[mattx]

Not quite sure the point of this thread from you matt.

 

It's not a case of if you don't like it don't use it especially when someone was threatened with rape via it please take your bigotted views and keep them to yourself.

 

Maybe I should have said something along the lines of if you are going to post something on twitter that you may know may cause a reaction from bigotted morons, don't expect not to have at least some backlash. Then when the press gets involved you know its going to get worse.

If after all that you don't agree, don't like, are getting concerned, report it and then delete the account.

I cannot understand people who complain about something that they actually have control over in regards to not having to either do it, read it, or be part of it. If you don't like football do you watch it or play it ? If you don't like taking a bath, do you still continue to have a bath [ yes I know these are rather stupid and extreme points ] but if you have an element of control over something you don't like or feel threatened by, don't do it !!

Its like me saying I hate being stung by bees, but I continue to be a bee keeper or I hate working in IT [ I do and its a well known fact ] but I continue to do so but within the areas I control over.

Don't give out personal information over the internet if there is the slightest chance of some idiot abusing it or you. Use a bit of common, although over the last 10 years or so this seems to be lacking from a great deal of people....

[localzuk]

So what you're saying is women shouldn't wear short skirts if they don't want to be raped. It's the same sentiment.

 

Someone, no matter what their gender, should be able to express an opinion without threat of rape and other horrendous acts.

 

Saying "don't say things to provoke those reactions' is ridiculous.

[Ephelyon]

Are we saying that because it's possible to report misuse of a service, such misuse becomes "by the by"?

 

We might as well be saying that because you can report rape, you don't really need to worry about it.

[Arthur]

So if a bloke on twitter tells a woman he's going to rape her, it's her fault and she should not use twitter?

So if a bloke in a pub tells a woman he's going to rape her, it's her fault and she should not go in a pub?

So if a bloke in the street tells a woman because she's wearing a short skirt he's going to rape her, it's her fault and she should cover up?

Unfortunately in India and the UAE, it is always the woman's fault.

 

• Mumbai mulls mannequin bikini ban in bid to cut assaults on women. A member of the civic body said that the public display of scantily clothed mannequins in shop windows "indirectly or directly leads to rape"
  
• Sharia law used in the United Arab Emirates to jail Australian woman after she was gang-raped -- her drink was spiked. Three colleagues then raped her. Under Sharia law, four adult Muslim men need to witness rape, otherwise the woman is sent to prison for sex outside marriage.
  
• "It's always the women at fault for rape." Interviews with 30 senior law enforcement officers in the Delhi-NCR region
  
• India students invent electrified lingerie in hopes to prevent rape attacks
  

[mattx]

So what you're saying is women shouldn't wear short skirts if they don't want to be raped. It's the same sentiment.

 

Someone, no matter what their gender, should be able to express an opinion without threat of rape and other horrendous acts.

 

Saying "don't say things to provoke those reactions' is ridiculous.

 

Didn't say that at all - you need reading lessons !!

[X-13]

don't expect not to have at least some backlash.

 

I just wish they'd stop calling the backlash "trolling"... It isn't. It's just being a [censored].

 

Trolling is a art.

[pcstru]

All this fuss over twitter....

If you don't like it, don't use it !!

No one is forcing you. Move on.....

 

Are you suggesting those that abuse move on or those that are being abused?

[X-13]

Are you suggesting those that abuse move on or those that are being abused?

 

I read it as those that abuse... But, it could be taken either way.

[localzuk]

Maybe I should have said something along the lines of if you are going to post something on twitter that you may know may cause a reaction from bigotted morons, don't expect not to have at least some backlash.

 

Maybe I should have said something along the lines of if you are going to dress provocatively that you may know may cause some nutter to rape you, don't expect not to have at least some guy grope you.

 

Maybe I should have said something along the lines of if you are going to say something in a pub that you may know may cause someone to get angry and beat you up, don't expect not to have at least some backlash.

 

Didn't say that at all - you need reading lessons !!

 

Nope, my reading skills are perfectly fine thanks. You may need some logic lessons though.

[CAM]

First off I suggest moving this behind the red door as this debate will get messy.

 

Second two MPs suffered some very nasty abuse over a prolonged period. The people involved should be hunted down and brought to account. The third MP meanwhile attacked another user, suffered backlash and ended up claiming she was being "abused" when the stuff she retweeted was little more then typical Twitter political cannon fire. However, one of the first two MPs waded in encouraging her to ride the coat-tails of their own more severe case (which papers are already doing) and use it as a springboard to launch legal action to basically silence detractors. You may recognise the name on one of those retweets.

 

Again....this should go behind the red door.

[X-13]

Maybe I should have said something along the lines of if you are going to dress provocatively that you may know may cause some nutter to rape you, don't expect not to have at least some guy grope you.

 

However, a more realistic version would be "If you're going to wear revealing clothes, don't get angry when people look."

 

I've watched Gok Wan. I know low cut tops are designed to draw attention there. You can't legitimately get angry when something achieves what's intended.

 

First off I suggest moving this behind the red door as this debate will get messy.

 

Seconded.

 

Religion and Politics should always be red door'd

[pcstru]

Maybe I should have said something along the lines of if you are going to post something on twitter that you may know may cause a reaction from bigotted morons, don't expect not to have at least some backlash. Then when the press gets involved you know its going to get worse.

Perhaps you should post the exact examples you are referring to. There is a lot of stuff out there and it ranges from mild rhetoric to serious defamation.

If after all that you don't agree, don't like, are getting concerned, report it and then delete the account.

So if someone disagrees with me here and instead of sticking to discussion and debate, starts making threats of violence - that would be OK and I should leave?

I cannot understand people who complain about something that they actually have control over in regards to not having to either do it, read it, or be part of it. If you don't like football do you watch it or play it ? If you don't like taking a bath, do you still continue to have a bath [ yes I know these are rather stupid and extreme points ] but if you have an element of control over something you don't like or feel threatened by, don't do it !!

The problem is you seem to be talking about free speech. The "if you don't like it, don't do it" is incompatible with that.

Don't give out personal information over the internet if there is the slightest chance of some idiot abusing it or you. Use a bit of common, although over the last 10 years or so this seems to be lacking from a great deal of people....

 

I think it's important that MP's and other campaigners are able to stand by their statements and have their name associated with them. I also think it is important that they should be allowed to make their points and not in the course of that be subject to threats of violence. If people who campaign for equal rights were to be, as you seem to suggest, silenced by threats of violence, 50% of the population would probably not have the vote. Do you think that would that be a good thing?

[mattx]

I'm surprised 'Call me Dave' has not got involved and tried to ban / censor it all....... That seems to be his answer to all of this.....

[X-13]

The problem is you seem to be talking about free speech. The "if you don't like it, don't do it" is incompatible with that.

 

Free speech doesn't mean you can abuse people.

 

It's to do with [iIRC] controversial ideas, criticisms of the government and general "this is my opinion" statements. Not threats of rape.

[localzuk]

However, a more realistic version would be "If you're going to wear revealing clothes, don't get angry when people look."

 

No, because that'd equate being abused on twitter with being looked at...

[pcstru]

Free speech doesn't mean you can abuse people.

Right. Nor does it mean you can slander, incite to violence or even incite hatred.

It's to do with [iIRC] controversial ideas, criticisms of the government and general "this is my opinion" statements. Not threats of rape.

 

The latest spat seems to have come about after Caroline Criado-Perez successfully campaigned to have a woman featured on a banknote. Nothing particularly controversial there - at least for anyone who's knuckles don't scrape the pavement. Threats of rape as a response are not protected under free speech. They are intimidation by threats of violence and should be treated as any such threat should be.

 

I particularly like Mary Beards attitude refusing to be cowed by abusive tweets.

 

(from the register)

 

Perhaps, though, Cambridge Professor Mary Beard, who said she would not be "terrorised" online, has the best attitude towards trolls. She retweeted an abusive message from a 20-year-old bloke calling himself Oliver Rawlings, who pathetically labelled her a "filthy old slut".

 

Then one of the prof's fans told the classicist, who last night was on our screens presenting a programme about the life of Caligula, that "if you would like to send a copy [of] @Rawlings153's tweet to his mother, Joanne, I'd be happy to give you the postal address".

 

Rawlings was quickly unnerved by the experience. He deleted his slut tweet and apologised for being so rude to Prof Beard. Perhaps we should all take heart from that. ®

[arwen]

Life doesn't have a report abuse button. If you suffer abuse that you deem is too much then you inform the police.

 

What needs to change is the fact online abuse is not seen as "real" by the courts in many cases. Or, if they acknowledge it, it is not seen on the same level as harassment offline. As many people have said, twitter has had a report button for ages. If you use a third party app (like many do) then this might not show any more.