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14th March 2009, 04:20 PM #1
OMG, Xorg and Trident Video = 4hours of wasted time
Right, I got a hold of an old laptop and decided that I would give Ubuntu (8.10) another go, being as it was four releases since the last time I put myself through the misery of setting it up. It is very impressive at grabbing drivers for most things but when it can't find one it is difficult. This particular laptop installed fine with the sole issue of the screen which was jammed at 800x600 which is rather limiting. Long story short after four hours of research and restarting X I found the solution buried on the internet. Two lines of text and a three key combination were all it took in the end to fix it which I will post here as well in the hopes that it can help anyone else that may become afflicted with this:
This ended up being a simple solution which worked really well but a totally massive mission to find. The last time I had to edit a text file to reset resolution was in Windows 3.1 saying that though I'm sure that I would have needed drivers and tweaks to get it all going with XP but it would not have required looking through several hundred lines of logs. Anyhow, it is now installed and functioning so I can continue on my learning curve and hopefully climb my way up the shear face of config files until I have at least a functional level of skill in Ubuntu just in case I ever have to use it for anything more substantial than a free OS for a browser.
Originally Posted by Nate Chrysler
I hope I don't get flamed to badly by all of the Linux gurus for how long it took me to get it all going
Last edited by SYNACK; 14th March 2009 at 04:23 PM.
14th March 2009, 04:47 PM #2
Yes, xorg is a pain for things like that.
Focus has been placed on ATI and Nvidia with their drivers and scripts making those kind of changes for you.
Really pleased you persevered!
14th March 2009, 06:12 PM #3
Nope. Really tiny, silly things like this are one of the major adoption barriers. This is what we have to fix if Linux is going to make serious desktop headway.
Originally Posted by SYNACK
Just be aware that putting the sync settings out of range can damage the display (physically fry it, not just make it look nasty) - which is mostly why this is still an obscure setting, to stop people casually playing with it just to see if it works.
14th March 2009, 10:57 PM #4
15th March 2009, 12:52 AM #5
15th March 2009, 10:44 AM #6
What did you install?
The next challange it to get it connecting to the ISA 2006 PPTP VPN at work, the client is all installed but it fails to connect so I am guessing that I have some more log reading to do but I will save that for another day
There's a pptp plugin and I can confirm it works fine as I use it >=)
16th March 2009, 07:10 AM #7
Originally Posted by kmount
I just checked and it was "PPTP VPN Connection Manager" that I installed from the Add/Remove Programs bit. Is there a better one available directly through apt-get or an external source?
16th March 2009, 11:08 AM #8
BTW it's not always Linux fault.
Things like disabling ACPI can be tracked down to the BIOS having bugs and not sticking to the ACPI standards. Stuff like Wifi cards not working right is usually due to hardware manufacturers not releasing hardware specifications.
Newer hardware is better in this regard though generally. Especially stuff from the big manufacturers (such as HP, Dell and IBM) even to the point where you can get Linux pre-installed.
Also along a similar vein, to give the OP some hope, newer monitors (especially LCDs) support something called DDC. This allows the monitor to tell the graphics card what settings it supports. This means in theory that the user can just ask for a specific resolution and the graphics card and monitor will sort it out between themselves as to what resolutions to use.
17th March 2009, 09:40 AM #9
Yeap, found ddcprobe in my hunt for a solution which did correctly identify the moniter and GPU as did Xorg but it insisted on attempting to drive it at too lower sync rates to allow for its maximim resolution. I'm not alone on that either as there are posts scattered across the net about this same fault with varying levels of sucess in fixing it, only the solution posted above worked for me. No doubt that the card is probably junk and maybe all of the DDC information was not there but it was still frustraiting having to dig through kilobytes of logs to find the one single line that led to a solution. I do miss centralised event logs for this kind of stuff.
Originally Posted by Geoff
27th March 2009, 01:59 AM #10
You know, I had a Trident video card about ten years ago. Slackware didn't know what to do with it at all.
Originally Posted by SYNACK
So I guess it's nothing new. Trident were always crap anyway!
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