hi Face man
thanks for the reply and the link which is useful to see what others have done but i am still surprised that there isn't a help forum.
i am scheduled to have some training towards the end of November so i may find out then, but it does seem strange that i can't track one down.
i think this is the first bit of software i have tried to use that isn't as intuitive as i would like, except perhaps for MS Access, and that hasn't got an obvious on line help community