CAWJames

OK, been doing some reading(always a bad thing, new toys jump off the page!) I think I need VDA licences, the new name for VECD. Are these available on an OVS-ES, as in the PDF I just read, there are yes's for availability in every box except for the Campus and Schools one. Is there a different model for Windows 7 VM's for us? http://download.microsoft.com/download/C/6/7/C673E444-6DDD-40B8-B29F-625354F2A8F7/Licensing_Windows_for_Virtual_Desktops_Whitepaper.pdf Assuming they are available, anyone know how much they cost and if we need RDS licences as well to access them, or if everything is included in the VDA? I want to use RDWEB and its load balancing bits and bobs to provide a portal to the VM's, or if that proves a no go, just standard RDP or app to access it over its DNS name. Thanks James

Ok, this is all making some sense! I need the Enterprise Desktop platform for all FTE, to replace our current OVS Office, Exchange CAL and WinSvr CAL. This should give us CAL coverage for SC as well, plus complete Forefront, server, client and Exchange spam. Average price around £40 each. Question, does this give us Windows 7 Pro or Enterprise? The partner website says upgrade rights to Enterprise, but I don't see why you would want Pro when you can get Enterprise. Or is Enterprise MDOP only? 10 x SysCtrMgmtSteEnt ALNG LicSAPk OLV E 1Y Acdmc AP - 1 for each server we want to cover, this includes 3 R710's with Windows Server 2008R2 with Hyper-V, all looking after 3 or 4 Windows Server Standard VM's.(dont you just love putting 36GB RAM in a server, that used to be the size of a standard SCSI hard drive!!) Or do I need to increase the number of licences to cover the Virtuals too? So around 20 of? Average price around £55 each. 1 x SysCtrCnfgMgrSvr ALNG LicSAPk OLV E 1Y Acdmc AP - For the actual server running System Center. Around £40 average. This I assume would give us full coverage for SCCM, SCVMM and SCDPM then? I am doing my sums, and projected yearly spend is only £400 odd more a year, but gives us Windows 7(and then 8)rights to all XP and Vista machines not covered by other upgrade means, plus the full CAL pack and most of SC. I'm still waiting for the exact prices to come back from RM, but looking good so far, and won't cost us £9k in the first year!(If we 3 year the Symantec and pay our normal OVS bill) Now what happens when SC2012 comes out with its bundle model? How would SA work? Would we only be able to use the already licensed parts, or access to whole suite? Thanks for the replies James

Everything should be be electronic now, so you just log in to the VLSC with the main contacts Live details and bring them up. Although saying that, depending on how old things are, you may still have the old style paper certificates, which are hopefully stored away in a dusty filing cabinet. If you contact your preferred licensing reseller, they should be able to output a report of what licences are attached to your schools company name. Remember to give any iteration of the name, as spelling mistakes are common! Hope that helps James

Right ok, going to take a different tack on this now. I have asked for quotes to give us the desktop pack, maybe enterprise, not sure yet, but trying to beat the hooded claw(Nasty Norton disguised as benevolent Symantec) at renewal costs. So trying to get Forefront instead of Endpoint. This will also give us all the CALS for System Center. So..If we end up licencing the Enterprise Desktop, what licences would I need to cover SCCM(and maybe SCVMM), or the whole suite as 2012 is all or nothing? Any definitive answers, as i've read statements of the "whole suite for £100" and "cost us peanuts", etc. I am assuming these people don't have to FTE the suite, as the CALS are covered by the Desktop suite, and they just need SC server licences as an 'additional product'? I am loathed to spend 6-7k on 3 years AV renewal, when I can roll everything into the EES/OVS-ES and get so much more out. 1 year AV renewal plus what we pay already on OVS-ES for Office 2010, WinSVRCAL and ExchangeSTDCAL, comes to a pretty penny anyway, might as well put it to good use. 80 FTE on EES vs 300 devices on AV. I reckon my yearly budget would be around 4-5k with AV and current EES spend all rolled in, that should cover it all shouldn't it? The way our reseller wanted us to do it with an FTE count for the suite would have been 5k on top of current EES spend, Desktop suite has got to be the way to go. Does this make sense or is the licensing part of my brain on the blink again? It works in my head! Must be the working in a college which is 99% female, staff and students! thanks again, James ps. I also meddle with landrovers as a hobby, that I can give advice on, even if I can't help others in licensing matters!

This is why i'm asking!! They are separate but managed through the RDS service on the server.

I assume that's only if you connect straight to the computer as a single RDP session, which has always been licence free. This would be through a terminal server, sharing out the VM's to whoever need them, not sure if it comes under the same as the above. Thanks James

We only have OVS agreements for Office, Exchange, SQl and various CALS, so not sure if that makes us on an EES. Licensing was done above my head, and suddently changed from a campus agreement! I want to offer a full VM rather than a portion of server. Familiarity and the option to just wipe a VM, when some member of staff does some research on the wrong side of the net!

Hi all, SMT are planning to make me buy iPads for themselves and some of out WBL teams. I want to provide them a virtual desktop that they can connect to while in centre. I want this to to as simple as possible, so 2008R2 server with all the RDS roles and a few virtual windows 7 professionals in a pool. This bit is fairly easy, pocket cloud on the iPad, connect to the pool address and away. So... What licensing do we need to make this legal after any trial periods are over? Im assuming a Windows 7 licence per VM, and a RDS cal for each device/user. Is it that simple, or do I have to licence to full FTE as we have OVS licences for a few things in place, or is there more to it? Any help please as my head hurts! Thanks James

Yeah, last thing I checked, as this was the reason they werent waking up in the first place. Seems the 360 ships with Low Power mode turned on. Hence blocking WOL etc. I have been through all BIOS options I can find, but nothing describes a shutdown state that would give me only WOL from a windows shutdown. I have now cooked my own kernel from 3.2.6. I'll see what results that gives. Thanks for the reply James

Morning all, I am currently building a FOG infrastructure for our college, so I have a little more control over the ever expanding pool of computers I have to look after. While FOG works as advertised, even after my myriad of adjustments and tweaks, I am having problems with my Optiplexes. It seems to only be the 360 model at the moment, but as I get to other parts of the college and encounter 755's, 760's, 780's who know what I will find. WOL only seems to work if the computer has been shutdown normally by windows. If FOG auto shutdowns the computer after performing some kind of task, the computer is non-responsive to WOL until Windows is loaded and then shutdown again. I think I have this narrowed to the shutdown states which each OS leaves the computer in. Windows leaves it in G2/S5 on shutdown, and Linux leaves it in a fully powered down state, G3. I know how to adjust Ubuntu's halt options to soft_off rather than poweroff, but can't for the life of me work out how to change it on the init image for FOG. I have mounted the boot image, but it being a variation of the core linux, it has none of the niceties that Ubuntu and other distros afford us. So has anyone come across this on the 360 or other Optiplex, and found a way to fix this WOL problem? Any help would be appreciated Thanks James

We currently dont buy any cal packs, as we already had a pool for most of what we needed. Why cant Ms make the SKU's readable in english! no idea what those mean. James

Symantec are charging around 6 quid to renew existing and around 15 to add a licence. This is for their protection suite enterprise, 1 licence for all devices and comes with the management interface, ant-spam and a few other bits and pieces. This is for approx 240 machines, even split renew to new. James

Thanks for that, around 60 is what we are quoted. We are a college I was hoping it would beat the symantec quote, but it is five times larger! Back to the drawing board James

Morning all, Just asked for a quote for System Center to cover our site. I was expecting a price in the hundreds, after reading other peoples posts, but alas it was multiple thousands a year. We were quoted for OVSEnt E SysCtrMgmtSteEnt LicSAPk OLV E 1Y Acad AP for all FTE. Is this the right product to ask for to get System Center for all servers and devices? Is there a better way to licence it? We are trying to beat our symantec endpoint quote and add some centralized management basically. Thanks James

Thanks for the amazingly quick replies! James, Depends on the RIPE, my favourite thing to fill in! But yes we will probably get a small pool of IP's with the line depending on how many the host business need. As long as we can use 2 of them to give to the routers, all will be good I thought it was going to be that easy, but our BT manager started talking about multiplexers and packateers, which I thought would be overkill CyberNerd, We dont care too much about proportioning bandwidth, we just want to be able to use our existing equipment and keep our LAN's/setups as they are, just more and better bandwidth. They are a pet shop and boarding business, we are a college, neither with high bandwidth needs. Mostly net and VPN to our respective HQ's. Thanks James

Evening all, We operate a remote teaching centre within another businesses premises. We have been slowly going up the internet ladder, dial-up then broadband, now a bonded ADSL solution. The bonded solution has been a nightmare as we are on the end of the line, and frequently get stale sessions and lines dropping out. We have now decided to go leased line, but want to share the bandwidth and cost with the 'host' business. BT will supply the line, NTE and a Cisco router, which in the normal world would connect into a single router and provide the magic to the LAN. We want to split the output from the Cisco to our SonicWall and to the host business's Firebox, giving each a public IP and access to the other Public IP's available for websites, VPN etc. Now for the question: Is it as easy as putting a switch in between the Cisco and the 2 firewalls? One wire from Cisco to switch, one wire to each router? Then setting each one up with its own IP and shared gateway. In my head it's that easy, but I am frequently wrong! We don't mind about proportioning bandwidth or anything like that, we just want to segregate and give each business its own access to public IP's and ease of VPN. Any help would be appreciated Thanks James