jsuk2000 Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Hi there, I wonder if any of you could offer me some advice. Basically at the moment, I work for the LEA School IT Support team visiting 5 schools a week, doing 6 half day visits a week, one day on the Education IT Support Desk and one day in the office, doing admin/development work. I currently earn £23,708 a year, and am on the top point of Scale 6, ie no further way up. Now, several of my schools are considering employing their own technician in their own clusters, realising it could be cheaper, and have dropped hints they want me to be that technician. Saying I could earn more and they pay less etc. They all pay the LEA about £5000 a year for a half day visit per week for a "junior" technician. To put it in perspective, I bring in to the LEA: School / Visits Per Week / Cost School1 / 1 / £5000 School2 / 1 / £5000 School3 / 1 / £5000 School4 / 1.5 / £7500 School5 / 2 / £10000 = £32,500 brought in to LEA. Two of the heads suggested I either work for them directly and they bill the other schools, or I go freelance and invoice them etc. However being employed by the school would end up with me taking on more schools to increase my income, so - School / Visits Per Week / Cost School1 / 1 / £4000 School2 / 1 / £4000 School3 / 1 / £4000 School4 / 1.5 / £6000 School5 / 2 / £8000 = £26,000 - 25% employee costs etc, = £19,500 salary. = £26,000 if Freelance, So already I would have to take on another school to earn £30,000 freelance or £22,500 salaried. I know my current wage is pretty good in the current climate for Level 1/2 support in a primary school, I do everything except setup new servers. Email and internet connectivity etc is done by the LEA. Looking at other jobs I would be lucky to get £18k for the same level of support, and to get £24k I would need to know things like Exchange, SQL Server, Web Technologies and more indepth server stuff. I am aware I need to invest in further qualifications. You could say I have just had a wake up call, I am 30 and with public sector pay currently frozen and capped at 1% I doubt my wages will ever increase. There is no way up on the LEA team, or within the council to be honest. But there are pros and cons of going freelance - Pros- Better Money, money to invest in qualifications, certificates etc. Own Boss Cons- Schools could shop around and get it cheaper elsewhere. Lack of council support and benefits, ie sick pay, pension (if I had one!), redundancy, conditions, access to colleagues knowledge etc. No backup when things go wrong, although the only thing I can't really do is migrate a new server over. But the School could buy two days LEA Support. If a few schools are considering this already, it wont take long for others to follow suit, and the LEA School IT team may cease to exist. I have learnt a lot at this job during the past 7 years, however I haven't had much in the way of official training. Just odd bits here and there, and most of it I have learnt by doing it every day etc. I would appreciate any thoughts. The 5 schools I visit are very supportive of this though.
featured_spectre Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Dont forget your national insurance and tax if you freelance, not to mention liability insurance and an accountant cost. You may find you are worse off if you go freelance, however if you work for one school directly, and then use that school as the base and have your services between the others, the main school pays your wage, the main school also pulls in the money. Win win for them. You could ask for £26k, and the school charges what the others are paying now, the school makes £6k a year they would be happy with that surely 1
CyberNerd Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 I'd add: Pros: Tax relief on travel, equipment, working at home (tax relief on portion of rent, phone bills, internet) ability to move around, take on better paid jobs it saves the school money, national insurance, pensions contributions cons: lack of job security. pension Personally I'd go for it! Edit - I think NI is about 6quid a week self employed, and insurance isn't too much if less then a million £ liability 1
glennda Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Dont forget your national insurance and tax if you freelance, not to mention liability insurance and an accountant cost. You may find you are worse off if you go freelance, however if you work for one school directly, and then use that school as the base and have your services between the others, the main school pays your wage, the main school also pulls in the money. Win win for them. You could ask for £26k, and the school charges what the others are paying now, the school makes £6k a year they would be happy with that surely Or they drop the price slightly from what the lea charge so they completely cover your costs only and the other schools buy in. Also in this case if one school drops out you are not loosing money. 1
jsuk2000 Posted December 8, 2011 Author Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) Thanks, yes I am aware of the tax/NI/accountant implication. £26k route sounds good, but I think the schools are looking to cut costs. Yes, the school said on average employees cost them 25% in ongiong costs. So £25,000 is actually £31250 to the school etc. RE: £6k, I've got an awlful feeling the school isn't allowed to make a profit like that, although I am sure they would love to! Well it seems the only way up at the moment, maybe get some more information from the schools etc. To my advantage I have never had a run in with a school, 4 of them I have been at for 6 years! Edited December 8, 2011 by jsuk2000
CyberNerd Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Thanks, yes I am aware of the tax/NI/accountant implication. yes - definitely get an accountant, they save more than you pay them and you will be safe in the knowledge that the inland revenue won't come knocking at your door and demanding money because you missed something. Luckily my dad is my accountant, so it costs me even less 1
CyberNerd Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 so anyone else gone down this route? only part time, when my hours were reduced from my regular job I just did some extra stuff on the other day/weekends. 1
jsuk2000 Posted December 8, 2011 Author Posted December 8, 2011 Thanks for your replies, heres a boring spreadsheet of the options I am considering etc. school visits proposals.xls
glennda Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Not completely relevant but one thing you could suggest to them is that you would setup a buying consortium saving them money by buying bulk etc 1
GrumbleDook Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 One of the other things to check is your existing contract. Your LA may have a clause in there preventing you from leaving to work for one of the schools you are presently supporting in the same or similar role ... effectively, they can stop you going and poaching schools that they are earning money from. A number of commercial support firms do this. 1
GrumbleDook Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Not completely relevant but one thing you could suggest to them is that you would setup a buying consortium saving them money by buying bulk etc If the buying consortium operates from a single school you have to be careful about procurement rules.
jsuk2000 Posted December 8, 2011 Author Posted December 8, 2011 RE: Contract. Good point, I will dig it out. However ironically I was originally a 3rd party technician for the same schools, and they "poached" me on to their team a few years ago!
featured_spectre Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 What are the ongoing costs you have posted up??? I asked a bursar and he said any ongoing costs would be... "heating, electricity, equipment" which at most is no more than £800 per staff member per year in a school that is an 80 acres site!
SimpleSi Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 What are the ongoing costs you have posted up??? Employers pension contributions,nat ins and a perecentage of the costs of running a HR Dept. @jsuk2000 I am employed my one school on a term time only contract and charged out on a cost recover basis at £2800/half day slot which includes my salary, car mileage (about£150/month) and on-costs so its def cheaper for the schools. However, i imagine your on a full-time contract - primaries generally only pay term-time contracts - so that would need checking. There's no practical problem in one school selling your services on - they just transfer the money once a year and no-one ever knows or is botherthed about small print Going freelance will give you slightly more money but, as you've noticed, times are hard and I guarantee your services will be the first to go Si
jamesreedersmith Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 Also remember to ensure that you are the only service the LEA provide as part of the contract - a lot of LEAS lump backup systems, av, etc etc into the support part to make it appear more attractive. You may have to provide these at a cost to you too. 1
jsuk2000 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Posted December 9, 2011 Also remember to ensure that you are the only service the LEA provide as part of the contract - a lot of LEAS lump backup systems, av, etc etc into the support part to make it appear more attractive. You may have to provide these at a cost to you too. I know, I am competeing with "Technical Support Visits" part of the services to schools. They still pay for the internet filtering, AV, network backup etc seperately. However they could change this...
Flatpackhamster Posted December 13, 2011 Posted December 13, 2011 A couple of other cons: Your public sector pension will stop growing. You need to factor in the cost of providing yourself with that. It's huge. All it takes is for a single change of head or management at a single school who decides they want to do things differently, and you could lose the lot. I'd never discourage anyone from becoming self-employed, but it's a risky game and you're basically shackling yourself to the education sector which will, I guarantee, see its income fall in real terms over the next decade. It will have to do more with much, much less, and you're putting yourself in the firing line. Contractors are always the first to go. You need some work which isn't public sector based to give yourself a fall-back position.
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