AlexB Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone knew a way to buy a photo import licence without using a photographer? We are quite capable of taking photos, but having to manually import one at a time just because I'm not a photographer seems crazy! Cheers
creese Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 Have you asked Capita or your LA support? I believe you can buy a licence, after all it's only a bulk import that you are buying.
AlexB Posted September 27, 2011 Author Posted September 27, 2011 When I spoke to Capita last year they said I could only get them from a photographer. I gave up last year, but its rolled round again and I'm hunting again
creese Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 I'm not sure that advice is correct. How about asking and paying a local photographer for a licence only. If it happens every years why not ask Capita about a licence? I'm not sure what the criteria is.
matt40k Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 Contact David Grassoff at Capita - I think you're after a Batch import license which is an annual license at £70. PM me if you want his contact details. 1
vikpaw Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 We buy ours on standing order every year and sort ourselves out so you should be okay.
LosOjos Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 Just out of curiosity, how many people think it's acceptable that we have to pay a licence fee to import photographs in to SIMS? (I know you can do them each manually for no extra cost). Do we not pay enough for the system already without paying an additional £70 a year for this?
creese Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 To be fair there are a number of add-ons and modules that Capita have to charge for. This may be one, I don't know for sure.
LosOjos Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 To be fair there are a number of add-ons and modules that Capita have to charge for. This may be one, I don't know for sure. It appears to be a part of the basic SIMS system, I can't see any hint that it is an add-on...
creese Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 It appears to be a part of the basic SIMS system, I can't see any hint that it is an add-on... It's an additional function that requires the purchase of a licence to activate. I'm not absolutely sure but I think we have had this discussion with Capita and my comment above was the outcome.
AlexB Posted September 27, 2011 Author Posted September 27, 2011 Yeah, I decided not to raise that particular point earlier, but it does sit badly with me. That said, management signed the order at 3:30 so I (or more accurately my PFY equiv) am very happy to not have ~300 manual imports ahead of me.
Sivadam Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 (edited) I know that the OP did not use an external photographer but if you do:- If you are using a Capita approved photographer then they should provide the licence for you as part of their costs. If they don't, then look for a new photographer next year that does. They make enough out of the sales and purchasing the licence for you is the least they can do! The licence lasts for 12 months. It is possible to make this last for two years by having your new photo session less than 365 days from the last one. e.g. 9th September 2010 and 6th September 2011. The one licence will cover both sessions! Edited September 27, 2011 by Sivadam
LosOjos Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 I know that the OP did not use an external photographer but if you do:- If you are using a Capita approved photographer then they should provide the licence for you as part of their costs. If they don't, then look for a new photographer next year that does. They make enough out of the sales and purchasing the licence for you is the least they can do! The licence lasts for 12 months. It is possible to make this last for two years by having your new photo session less than 365 days from the last one. e.g. 9th September 2010 and 6th September 2011. The one licence will cover both sessions! But why should it be the photographer's cost to absorb? Those costs have to get covered somewhere, if they don't charge us then it hits the parents who end up paying more for the prints. Schools pay a hell of a lot of money to use SIMS - this additional £70 to use a basic function in the system seems both trivial and unfair to me.
vikpaw Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 But why should it be the photographer's cost to absorb? Those costs have to get covered somewhere, if they don't charge us then it hits the parents who end up paying more for the prints. Schools pay a hell of a lot of money to use SIMS - this additional £70 to use a basic function in the system seems both trivial and unfair to me. At least at the time of buying the licence you aren't forced to purchase installation and training!
matt40k Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 Sure Capita would happily include the 70 odd pounds in the annual maintainance cost, not sure how schools would feel about the forced increase in cost however. Everything costs money, if Capita want to bundle it and make you buy a line sql script to license it (like FMS Suppliers export etc), I'm not complaining.
Sivadam Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 There are plenty of Capita Photographer Partners. If they won't source the Licence then they obviously don't want your business! There will be others that do!
localzuk Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 There are plenty of Capita Photographer Partners. If they won't source the Licence then they obviously don't want your business! There will be others that do! Except that not all 'Partner Photographers' are licensed to deal with the licensing stuff. Tempest for example are an accredited Partner photographer, and capita even says their customers should contact them direct for a license. Accredited School Photographers 1
Sivadam Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Thanks. I'll add that one to my 'Do Not Use' category! (And I do know where to find the list thanks!) Edited September 28, 2011 by Sivadam
GrumbleDook Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 Some schools do not want to do bulk imports ... some want to add them in manually and might update the photos more than once a year. I suppose it depends on the size of the school and the importance of the photo. We criticise Capita if they charge you for something you don't want ... and then have a go when they leave something out and it is a choice for you. Most schools will get a photographer in at some point and if the school already has the licence do you really think they will drop the price from their cost to you? From personal experience they won't ... and that was after talking with several photographers. I had completely forgotten about this and will be passing it around local schools again. 1
LosOjos Posted September 29, 2011 Posted September 29, 2011 Some schools do not want to do bulk imports ... some want to add them in manually and might update the photos more than once a year. I suppose it depends on the size of the school and the importance of the photo. We criticise Capita if they charge you for something you don't want ... and then have a go when they leave something out and it is a choice for you. Most schools will get a photographer in at some point and if the school already has the licence do you really think they will drop the price from their cost to you? From personal experience they won't ... and that was after talking with several photographers. I had completely forgotten about this and will be passing it around local schools again. But why is a licence/cost necessary at all? Capita can't seriously be relying on a third party plug in to import photographs in to their own system?
creese Posted September 29, 2011 Posted September 29, 2011 But why is a licence/cost necessary at all? Capita can't seriously be relying on a third party plug in to import photographs in to their own system? From my fuzzy memory, it's not what it was, I believe that was the reason for the extra cost of the licence.
MicrodigitUK Posted September 29, 2011 Posted September 29, 2011 And the worst thing is the licence you pay for doesn't cover staff photos! See one of my old posts http://www.edugeek.net/forums/mis-systems/65763-bulk-import-staff-photos.html
Sivadam Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 And the worst thing is the licence you pay for doesn't cover staff photos! See one of my old posts http://www.edugeek.net/forums/mis-systems/65763-bulk-import-staff-photos.html Staff do not have Admission Numbers to link to! And most schools would not understand the IDs behind the scenes!
localzuk Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Staff do not have Admission Numbers to link to! And most schools would not understand the IDs behind the scenes! So, don't have it in big bold writing... Everyone in the modern world understands the need for unique identifiers. We all have them for loads of things. 1
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