ChrisP Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Am I missing something? I would gather evidence, present to the head, have the child’s internet access removed due to violation of the AUP and if possible get the parents to sign a responsible use agreement. Guaranteed the kid will shite their pants at the idea of no internet and/or parents having to sign a contract.
Mavericks_ghost Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 Watch out for https://2hide.net, we had a student being bullied for the URL because websense would allow it through... As an ICT tech I feel at the sharp end... We use websense filtering and for the most part it's OK, keywords of proxy/proxies are blocked with netsupport school on every computer that the students can access. Thus we can control, if teachers would actually bother of course! We get our "students" to sign an AUP (internet access letter), which has to be countersigned by the parents. It's deliberately phrased as a legal contract between the school and the family. Do the students take any notice of it...do they hell! Their homepage has the AUP plastered on it not one will read it, I guarantee you, they bring up the homepage (our intranet site) and skip straight to google. Our new intake are waiting for their internet access to be released. We've also supplied e-mail accounts to all students this year as it has apparently become part of their ICT curriculum...has meant a new mail server with exchange 2007 and we are still ironing out the creases. This of course means that their e-mail is accessed through https as they use the OWA site rather than outlook, as is the access to the school's VLE through https. Any student who abuses that e-mail privilege loses the ability to use it, and we have had them on the first day abusing it! The main problem is, in my opinion, it comes down to enforcement, the staff do not want to "rock the boat" or "...endanger the student's enterprise". The fact that that enterprise consists of hacking, proxy avoidance, games playing, malicious use of the e-mail system and essentially doing as little as they believe they can get away with doesn't mean a damn thing! If you listen to some of the arguments that take place because a student who wants to send e-mail has had the OWA site blocked by netsupport by the teacher, the language could turn the air blue! One student today point blank refused to do ANY work at all because his internet access was being controlled by the teacher through netsupport. Believe me...I thank the powers that be every day that I'm not nor ever want to be a teacher!!! The students course realise that nothing will be done if they break the ICT rules and thus know that the AUP is worthless! Even when we do try to enforce it we end up with a earful from all directions. It was different 2 years ago as we could remove internet/network access from anyone caught breaking the AUP, now we are told we can't! One 6th former last year lost all network access due to showing other students how to use a particular proxy site, this year it feels like we'd be clapping him on the back for his initiative!
tom_newton Posted September 26, 2008 Posted September 26, 2008 Watch out for https://2hide.net, we had a student being bullied for the URL because websense would allow it through... Ouch... you do wonder sometimes...
Antp Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Lol, Thats why i have my proxy setup to use https:// all the teachers keep on reporting in and they cant do anything, also password protected but the whole school knows the password. XD
kmount Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Lol, Thats why i have my proxy setup to use https:// all the teachers keep on reporting in and they cant do anything, also password protected but the whole school knows the password. XD I'd love to work at your school, I'd take great pride in banning you from the internet and writing to your parents explaining how you are circumventing filters put in place to protect you. That being said, there's nothing big and clever about using a product someone else wrote and trying to say you're something special when really all you are is a user.
Antp Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 How am i sayin im something special???? im just saying all the admins go out of your way to block All the websites known to man and by using a ssl certificate bypass this this. Also tbh why do you care?
kmount Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 By saying that "all admins go out of your way" but they can't stop you comes across to me as gloating. Why do I care? I care because I know of instances where children have been upset by things they have seen because some 'lovely' person has told them to visit website xyz.com from inside a proxy which has contained some rather unfavourable images which otherwise would have been blocked. I'd urge you to reconsider your position posting on an IT professionals forum harping on about unblockable proxies whilst on another thread asking for help setting up a webserver in IIS. If I had read your post asking for help before reading this thread I would have helped you gladly, but I'm not interested now.
Antp Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 have blocked these kind of websites with the bad words filter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i said all admins go out of there way after you started the arument.
kmount Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 I have no need to like or dislike proxies other than from a protective angle. If you have taken steps in your proxy implementation to filter "bad words" you would be one of a very small minority; how would you feel if someone else circumvented your bad words filter?
Antp Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 i would find them inteligent, and lthem be, but as there are very few technolgically inteligent people this is not a likely scenario.
kmount Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Unfortunately, when we are legally obligated to protect children like yourself we can't "let them be". That being said, if said person was to actually use their technological intelligence for something good we'd back them all the way as we have done in situations that arose. Those who opt to try and circumvent measures put in place to protect them are punished at the fullest extent possible.
Antp Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 (edited) Tbh, the only things people use it for is myspace youtube and a few images through google. yeah i wish they had the same ethic at my school "Back them all the way" but they dont teach pupils anything more then using Microsoft office. why do you think im on such a forum?? i want to learn. Also back to te main topic, Comcast own http://www.fancast.com/ maybe the :443 is just there content streaming service? Edited October 5, 2008 by Antp
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