MS caught lying about their "convenience update"? (included updates)

[7point5]

simple question really: in the catalog article on kb3125574 all the allegedly included updates are listed

 

so knowing them I decided to test this ^^

 

turns out my hunch may have been justified!

 

for instance KB2639308 is in the list of updates allegedly included in the rollup

 

so once again on a 7 x64 virtual machine (in virtualbox) I installed the service stack update & the rollup

 

then I tried installing KB2639308 - and it worked!

windows asks if I want to install the update even though it's supposed to be already installed with the rollup!

(instead of saying "update already installed" or "update not applicable" as would be expected)

 

therefore the only explanation's that this update was NOT included in the rollup to begin with right?

 

I further tested & it appears MS may have lied about other elements in the list

for instance several updates required for RDP 8 & 8.1 (because the rollup only comes with RDP 7.1) one of those requirements is KB2574819 which is also supposedly included in the rollup - in fact it's the very first element in the rollup's included list

and surprise surprise even with rollup installed, when I try to install KB2574819 it works! windows asks if I wanna install the update

 

 

/!\ and just to confirm this isn't a bug that systematically allows included updates to be reinstalled separately: I tested with other updates (in the rollup inclusion list) and windows correctly says that the updates are not applicable

for instance KB2882822 (included in the rollup's updates list) can be installed on 7 SP1 without the rollup, but if I try the same thing after the rollup (different VM snapshot) then I get the "not applicable" message instead

which means MS is telling the truth about some elements in their rollup's list but apparently not about other elements

 

 

so why would they lie about included updates in a rollup? a possible reason is that instead of those useful updates they snuck in something far less useful like telemetry updates or something

Edited January 3, 2018 by 7point5

[Arthur]

windows asks if I want to install the update even though it's supposed to be already installed with the rollup!

(instead of saying "update already installed" or "update not applicable" as would be expected)

 

therefore the only explanation's that this update was NOT included in the rollup to begin with right?

That's because some components don't get updated if you do not install their updates before the Convenience Rollup. RDP is a good example.

 

Windows therefore has to redownload them from WU.

 

From WHDownloader's readme...

 

KB3125574 is a comprehensive rollup update that contains almost all fixes released after Windows 7 SP1's release, up through April 2016

 

To apply this update, you must first install servicing stack update KB3020369.

 

This is the recommended installation order to get the best use of the rollup:

 

1. KB3020369 / Prerequisite
   
2. KB2670838 / Platform Update
   
3. KB3125574 / Convenience Rollup
   
4. KB3172605 / July 2016 Rollup - fixes and speed up Windows Update search
   

If you intend to install any of the following feature packages, install them *first* (before KB3125574) so the rollup can install their updated components afterwards:

 

RDP, WMF4, DCA2.0, AD LDS, RSAT, VirtualPC, WorkFolders, Server Essentials Connector

[7point5]

ok so even if I don't install RDP itself how come windows *allows* installation of the update msu even though the update's already in the rollup? why doesn't it say "update not applicable" or "update already installed"

 

what about other updates like KB2639308?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2639308/an-update-is-available-for-the-aslr-feature-in-windows-7-or-in-windows

 

it's suppose to be in the rollup yet windows allows installation of that update even after the rollup...???