boomish Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 What with all of the new regulations I'd like to know where is safe to post video's of school events that show children. EG we have a new Vimeo page for shooing time lapse films of our new school building etc but if we want to upload a film that shows pupils doing an assembly for Mothers day I'm not sure if thats allowed on a public site like vimeo? The other option is to link via our Office 365 One Drive supplied by Atomwide/LGFL, or actually upload it to our Fronter website, but the trouble is Streaming isn't very good. Obviously we do have permission from parents etc so I presume we are ok to use Vimeo as video storage and embed a link to our news section of our web site but we have only got a basic Vimeo subscription, Vimeo Plus would allow us to hide video's from Vimeo.com and use it simply to store & embed, I just wondered if there if there were any better free options that are safe to use? Appreciate any hints tips etc. Alan
spadam Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 I think you need to consider what you mean by 'safe to use'. If you put a photo or video of a pupil anywhere that is publicly accessible then you potentially lose any control over where that video might end up. This is why you need parental consent to publish videos of pupils anywhere. In my opinion the actual site that you publish to is not particularly relevant apart from considering what other types of content may also be published there which might become associated with your video.
boomish Posted March 16, 2015 Author Posted March 16, 2015 Well I mean safe as in according to the new data safety guidelines, I can't see anything that says not too, we have a School Vimeo site, so all other video are the schools, so nothing to worry about being associated. Having chatted to the deputy head we have decided to move to Frog this year and they have video storage/streaming , thats password protected, so think we shall wait till then.
Joanne Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Vimeo has options to make the videos private and only accessible on certain URLs. The security options on vimeo are extensive and pretty good in my opinion. I also use the unlisted feature on youtube, but I think vimeo has the security edge. 2
Patrick Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Agree with @Joanne Youtube with the video unlisted then use the url to embed it on the schools website as needed. 1
GrumbleDook Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Which is fine, until the URL is shared by eager parent on FB, then with who knows else ...
Joanne Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Yeah that's why I think that Vimeo is better because it is totally private and you can set it to only be embedded on certain URLs.
Patrick Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Which is fine, until the URL is shared by eager parent on FB, then with who knows else ... If your really sacred about the video being shared or saved and moved onto some other site it's probably best that you don't upload it anywhere. Once a video is online no matter what the privacy settings are there are always going to ways it can be shared or downloaded.
PotNoodleTech Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Aside from the logistics of who has given permission and who can access it, the main issue is where is the video actually stored/hosted. If outside the EU then you've immediately breached the data protection act.
Joanne Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Google own youtube, so I imagine it will be on google servers. If we can use google drive to store school data, then one would assume that the same servers are used for youtube data. Where Google Keeps Your Email And YouTube Videos - Business Insider
spadam Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Aside from the logistics of who has given permission and who can access it, the main issue is where is the video actually stored/hosted. If outside the EU then you've immediately breached the data protection act. I'm not sure about this personally.. I would have thought that if you have written consent for the images to be published publicly on the internet then it is not necessarily a breach of the DPA if those videos are then hosted outside of the EU as by publishing publicly the information becomes available to the whole world wherever it is hosted. Also the Safe Harbour Agreement which may cover processing by some organisations outside of the EU. Edited March 16, 2015 by spadam
boomish Posted March 16, 2015 Author Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks for all the replies, the video is to go on the school website so anyone could copy the URL form there so yes it's just limiting access from the host website, I just wondered if there was any other than Vimeo/YouTube , I did find the Video Central HD run by LGFL so the pupil would have to log into to view it, but the video's use Silverlight, and I really want this to be simple for parents to use. Vimeo's look and perform really well, I can even customise the colour of the font to match the schools.. Interesting topic though eh..
mjk Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Aside from the logistics of who has given permission and who can access it, the main issue is where is the video actually stored/hosted. If outside the EU then you've immediately breached the data protection act. Nonsense. If a company offers a contract that meets the adequacy and security requirements of the EU commissions data protection directive, is signed up to safe harbour it doesn't immediately breach the DPA at all.
Joanne Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 These are the settings I set on vimeo... I *think* that if you put the url in, you wouldn't be able to watch it... yeah... so this is the video I have embedded: you can't view it unless you are on the site it is embedded on.
spadam Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 These are the settings I set on vimeo... [ATTACH=CONFIG]29676[/ATTACH]I *think* that if you put the url in, you wouldn't be able to watch it... yeah... so this is the video I have embedded: you can't view it unless you are on the site it is embedded on. That is a useful feature that will certainly discourage casual sharing outside of your school site. Always remember though that there is no way of completely preventing someone from publishing your video to another platform once you have made it publicly available.
Joanne Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 it would be interesting to see if it could be ripped using a website such as clip converter... If it is available to view on the school website though... why would anyone feel the need to rip it and share it? Would they not just link to the school website? Am I not seeing something? Am I being naive?
spadam Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 it would be interesting to see if it could be ripped using a website such as clip converter... It can.. I just did it. Am I being naive? No, I don't think you are. The fact that you've considered issues such as this certainly suggests that you are not. My advice was really aimed at making everyone aware that no matter what measures are in place that a video could be copied and shared with the school having no control over where it could end up and that schools should always consider this when making any video public... The best defence against this as far as I'm concerned is having a robust vetting procedure for any videos being shared which is managed by staff with a good understanding of the potential issues that could arise. 1
spadam Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Yes.. it's great! You get bonus points if you play the music yourself too... My tip (just nitpicking really): As a general rule you should try to avoid filming in front of a window or light source as it causes more shadow on your subjects.
Joanne Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Yeah I know... the room was a mess though! The music is default stuff that comes with iMovie... sorry to disappoint
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