EES Arguement on FTE - 200 hours vs Formula

[Steve21]

Evening guys,

 

Wonder if someone can clarify something, currently trying to sort out the licensing here as it's very wrong in terms of what we need licensed and trying to sort out our EES.

 

Now the old support company who ran here before I joined, and a local school are both saying FTE is based on the Formula as per the USA version.

 

However it was my understanding UK only use the 200+ hour rule for FTE.

 

Has this changed? Or is it still the 200 hours rule?

 

 

All the suppliers I've used in the past still say it's 200 hours e.g. Microsoft Enrolment for Education Solutions (EES) | Microsoft | Products | - discounted software for education establishments

 

FTE's = Full-Time Equivalent's

Must work for at least 200 hours a year.

Simply counted or not counted - no half count.

Applicable to staff that have regularly access to computers for work purposes.

 

Says on MS website it was 200 hours Microsoft UK Education - Schools blog - Schools Licensing blog

 

You count your Full-Time Equivalent (FTE) staff once per year, so you don't have to track every single computer in your establishment. Full time equivalent are staff who work more than 200 hours per year in your school.

 

Microsoft UK Education - SESP agreement - Licensing Options

An institution may license based on either:

1.Qualified users (FTEs* only or FTEs and students) ◦Qualified users include full-time faculty and staff employed at least 200 hours per year and all students.

 

Eligible users include the full time equivalent (FTE) faculty and staff members categorized as ―employed more than 200 hours per annum.‖ Users such as maintenance, groundskeepers or cafeteria personnel may be excluded.

 

Am I going mad and it's been changed? or is it still 200 hours as everywhere seems to say that's not an American site?

 

Thanks,

Steve

[synaesthesia]

It is absolutely not the same as the American one. I can't give you a definitive answer and you shouldn't go by what anyone here says anyway; email your licensing provider, or if they are giving you trouble try some others (Phoenix are great) who will be happy to email you good information. With it in writing, from a reseller, you have a few bases covered.

[Steve21]

It is absolutely not the same as the American one. I can't give you a definitive answer and you shouldn't go by what anyone here says anyway; email your licensing provider, or if they are giving you trouble try some others (Phoenix are great) who will be happy to email you good information. With it in writing, from a reseller, you have a few bases covered.

 

Aye I'm positive it isn't the American formula unless it's changed, but even flicking through a few known and random license companies they don't seem to agree on this. Some sites say 200 some formula.

 

Will have to email a few directly and see what they say I guess :s

 

Thanks,

Steve

[Cache]

I suppose the question to ask is do you have any staff under 200 hours per week that you need to be worrying about this? Bearing in mind that it works out at 5 hours per week term time only.

 

My personal understanding of it is that 200 hours is the point at which someone is counted as a full FTE and as we've no one working less then 200 hours per year didn't need to be concerned about the rest of it.

 

If you go of Pugh then no one under 200 hours is counted, it's a simple yes/no: Microsoft Enrolment for Education Solutions (EES) | Microsoft | Products | - discounted software for education establishments

 

Edit: For extra fun, contact Microsoft direct and ask at [email protected] or call 0870 607 0800 - be warned, I've still got 2 different answers from 2 different people on that number which puzzled me... Microsoft MoU Overview: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/295511/Factsheet_-_ICT_Microsoft_MoU_Schools_Academic_Licensing_Overview.pdf

Edited January 28, 2015 by Cache

[Steve21]

No Cache, none under 200, which makes us at 101 using that, or 83 using the silly "Full Time/Part Time" formula that USA uses :s Thus the confusion.

 

Aye always used Pugh before and they say 200 on website, but then others say Formula, dropped a few emails around to other companies to see what they say. Hopefully one way opens up more than other haha

 

Will email Microsoft too to confirm Hopefully they give right answer lol

 

-Edit - Just like MS >.< BN1BFFO11FD008.mail.protection.outlook.com gave this error: Relay Access Denied

 

Thanks,

Steve

Edited January 28, 2015 by Steve21

[XiJ]

200 hours. That's what our licensing partner says and I understand from MS

[elsiegee40]

I am afraid you're on 200 hours here. We argued the point at Microsoft HQ in Reading a few years back.

 

One of the sponsors like @Millgate will be able to confirm if you need it.

[Steve21]

Lovely guys Thank you. Capita and Pugh also came back in agreement with 200 hours, so I'm happy! Legal status > Pricing after all

 

- Edit - And phoenix said 200 hours for for anyones reference

 

Thanks,

Steve

Edited January 29, 2015 by Steve21