• Video Nasty For Devon Primary

    A primary school in Abbotsham, Devon has been thrust into the media spotlight after a teacher accidentally played a clip from an adult film to her class according to The Register.

    The video clip was accidentally played to the class after the teacher, who hasn't been named, brought a VHS Player in to the school to play an educational tape after the school's one had broken down. Unfortunately the VHS player belonging to the teacher had an adult film loaded and began playing the explicit content to the class.

    Devon County Council have said the teacher was disciplined for the incident but parents are outraged, claiming they were not informed of the incident in good time and accused the school of attempting to cover it up.
    Comments 21 Comments
    1. witch's Avatar
      witch -
      Stupid, yes, but parents being outraged is ridiculous. In all honesty, what did they see? About 2 seconds worth I expect, and probably not much worse than you can see on TV every day!
    1. bossman's Avatar
      bossman -
      If it had been me or you who had done it then we would have been sacked on the spot and that would have been the end of our careers.

      I hope they sacked the stupid idiot!!!

      Surely if you are going to bring content in from home you check the content before showing it to a group of students, where is the common sense in some people.

      Absolutely no excuse whatsoever and the teacher should be named and shamed as would anyone else who did something as stupid as this!!

      Parents have a right to hope that their children are kept secure and out of harms way and when something like this happens and have a good right to be angry!! As a parent i would have wanted a full explanation and if that was not satisfactory then I would have taken it to the governors to discipline or sack the individual for gross misconduct or for being totally stupid!!!
    1. Dom_'s Avatar
      Dom_ -
      At a high school I used to work at, one of the teachers had left their PC logged in on the whiteboard, and left the room to get something... (at the time staff had unfiltered web access, kids heavily filtered.) He came back about a minute later to meatspin.com playing on the projector!

      I couldn't help but laugh when he came to tell us - don't think it ever went any further...
    1. webman's Avatar
      webman -
      None of us can be sure exactly what level of material the children were exposed to, but she should be beaten with whatever law there is against adults showing pornography to children. Utterly reckless behaviour.
    1. bossman's Avatar
      bossman -
      Dom_:

      This is precisely what I am on about!

      If you or me had arranged to show students a film or been logged into a computer and left the room we would have used "common sense" and a) Checked the content of the VT and b) Made sure when we left the room that the computer was locked for use.

      Just basic common sense of which a large proportion of teachers show distinct lack of!!

      It's amazing what some people can get away with in the public sector but the government is slowly tightening the noose around those professionals who show lack of concern and professionalism for others, as Lord Putnam stated 40% of average teachers are 80% inefficient and not worth their salt.

      Judging by this carry on in Devon it is no wonder the government and the taxpayers think like this!!
    1. GrumbleDook's Avatar
      GrumbleDook -
      In a cry for some common sense ... the problem is not so much that a touch of pr0n was shown but how it was dealt with.

      We all know that there are time when you get pr0n on the web getting through filters. If you hide the kids from it then they will not know how to deal with it responsibly. If this was not a VHS tape but on their youtube playlist ... and they got the wrong vid by mistake or logged into youtube with the wrong account ... or if they searched only to find that they were pr0nrolled ... then it is how is it then dealt with that is important.

      Yes, it was stupid, but what if it had been a practical joke by someone to put some pr0n in an empty case (eg swap fantasia for another film of similar name) ... it happens ... the joker had no idea it was going to end up in front of kids!

      So ... no stone throwing please and a bit of understanding.

      However ... the parents do have a point about not being told. But I would ask them how many had turned up for eSafety training at the school? Or even asked the school about it?
    1. webman's Avatar
      webman -
      Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
      If you hide the kids from it then they will not know how to deal with it responsibly.
      Are you saying the video should have been paused at the point it was discovered, and the teacher to then explain to the students: what happened, what is going to happen now, what was contained on the video, how the content objectifies the people involved, and why the sexualisation of young children is an issue and why young children should not be exposed to such content?
    1. GrumbleDook's Avatar
      GrumbleDook -
      No ... the video is stopped immediately, apologies are made, the children are asked what they would do if they come across some video in the internet or in the video collection at home that is not right for them ... remember that this would apply not only to pr0n but horror and a number of other bits.

      Admit the mistake, educate and move on.
    1. webman's Avatar
      webman -
      Thanks for clearing that up Tony
    1. tech_guy's Avatar
      tech_guy -
      I think the member of staff should have been sacked. Yes, they brought the pornography in to the school by mistake, but they have a duty of care and in that respect they failed miserably. The school has thus failed to look after the children in its care and there should be an investigation and training to make sure it doesn't happen again.
    1. Hightower's Avatar
      Hightower -
      I'm not condoning this by any means, but how old do you have to be to legally watch pr0n? 18?

      How old do you have to be to play call of duty? 18?

      I know kids in year 6 that have call of duty at home - that's kids that are 10 years old.

      So it's okay for a kid to learn about brutally slaying another person, but its not okay to learn about 'hardcore' biology?

      Like I said, I'm not condoning this in any shape, but we need a bit perspective on the matter surely?
    1. JJonas's Avatar
      JJonas -
      I think you are missing the point here. A person in a position of care has exposed minors to pornography. She is very lucky to keep her job, Im surprised this is not being investigated by the police.
    1. Hightower's Avatar
      Hightower -
      Quote Originally Posted by JJonas View Post
      I think you are missing the point here. A person in a position of care has exposed minors to pr0n. She is very lucky to keep her job, Im surprised this is not being investigated by the police.
      How many teachers allow their students to play on games rated 18 on those special days in school running up to Christmas? How many teachers allow their kids to watch films on those special days that are not suitable for the audience?

      Should they be dealt with the same way? Is viewing pr0n worse than viewing a film depicting violence and murder? If so, fair enough, but if not surely teachers who show these films/allow these games should also be sacked.

      I agree that the whole thing is a joke and needs dealing with. But at the same time, each and every school allows some form of similar activity that goes un-noticed.
    1. ascott2's Avatar
      ascott2 -
      You think this is bad how about a self filmed sex tape between 2 teachers, then they placed it among the VHS library then a few years later a class sits down to watch a video and what do they find. That was what happened at my school a few years before I went, but ironically both teachers were still teaching up until I left some years later.

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    1. mac_shinobi's Avatar
      mac_shinobi -
      Quote Originally Posted by tech_guy View Post
      I think the member of staff should have been sacked. Yes, they brought the pornography in to the school by mistake, but they have a duty of care and in that respect they failed miserably. The school has thus failed to look after the children in its care and there should be an investigation and training to make sure it doesn't happen again.
      Normally a few mins before the lesson starts they should check the player ( dvd, vhs or whatever ) to ensure that the said media in the drive is the correct media ie tape, disc or whatever.

      Like when you try to or start your car, you normally have a top priority list of say 5 to 10 things to check ie

      1. Fuel
      2. Electric ( battery )
      3. Starter Motor
      4. Oil

      Im no mechanic so dont quote me on which order they are meant to be in but you get the gist !!!

      So for the teacher it would of been something like

      1. Power to the TV and the TV turns on ok
      2. Power to the media player ( VHS , DVD or whatever player )
      3. Tape or Disc is the correct one
      4. Correct media ( tape, disc ) plays ok
    1. GrumbleDook's Avatar
      GrumbleDook -
      Everyone is being a tad too black and white on this with limited information. How about this position?

      The teacher brought their own VCR in. It most likely had the video in there already ... when they checked at home the night before it was all ok and they went to bed ... they got up in the morning ... had breakfast ... grabbed what they needed for the day and went to work ... lesson time comes and they plug it in and ... oh ... horlicks!

      Or perhaps it was ...

      The teacher had been watching some late night interesting films and not realised they had pressed record by mistake and only realised when they came to show the tape.

      Or even ...

      They had recorded something at home on a video ... you know, one of those blank tape thingies you can still get in some places ... and it was on a certain shelf but with no label ... and their other stuff (or perhaps belonging to someone else in the house) was on a completely different shelf but there was a mistake ...

      So ... lots of possibilities and the jury has already hung her.

      Let's remember this the next time you are accused of trying to access private files and sensitive school information ... or perhaps you are spying on the Head's emails ... or now we mention it ... you don't go through the same filters as everyone else? And you want to leave the LA filters too? Can we really trust you?

      I refer the honourable group to the comments made earlier about stones. Just because it is pr0n on a video tape why treat it differently to anything we are going to come across?
    1. CAM's Avatar
      CAM -
      Let's take a look at how this situation applies elsewhere in the school.

      Teacher picks a topic, they tell the kid's to Google it and what should they do first? Check the search in private for any misleading or dangerous links. As was discovered elsewhere on the forums, an image search for "fox" can bare a surprising amount of flesh.

      Teacher wants to show a video to the class on YouTube. As much as I'd recommend against this with it's infamous comments section, they should always check the video first to make sure there is no foul language or hardcore porn in the middle of it (yes that has happened to YouTube in the past!).

      What about the inevitable (hopefully not copyrighted ) DVD shown to kids at the end of term? Watch it first, make sure it isn't the wrong disk. Would have helped here.

      Now ask, are teachers at your school adequately getting this message? Are they actually putting it into action? It's a good example of a major safeguarding failure because the member of staff in question has failed to check in private a piece of media that they plan on using in class. Check the equipment too. Accidents happen, but we can do our best to minimise them.

      However, I am shocked that no-one here has picked up on the presence of a VHS player yet in our digital age.
    1. mac_shinobi's Avatar
      mac_shinobi -
      Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
      Let's take a look at how this situation applies elsewhere in the school.

      Teacher picks a topic, they tell the kid's to Google it and what should they do first? Check the search in private for any misleading or dangerous links. As was discovered elsewhere on the forums, an image search for "fox" can bare a surprising amount of flesh.

      Teacher wants to show a video to the class on YouTube. As much as I'd recommend against this with it's infamous comments section, they should always check the video first to make sure there is no foul language or hardcore porn in the middle of it (yes that has happened to YouTube in the past!).

      What about the inevitable (hopefully not copyrighted ) DVD shown to kids at the end of term? Watch it first, make sure it isn't the wrong disk. Would have helped here.

      Now ask, are teachers at your school adequately getting this message? Are they actually putting it into action? It's a good example of a major safeguarding failure because the member of staff in question has failed to check in private a piece of media that they plan on using in class. Check the equipment too. Accidents happen, but we can do our best to minimise them.

      However, I am shocked that no-one here has picked up on the presence of a VHS player yet in our digital age.
      My post in brackets ref mentioning DVD ( disc ) player as apposed to VHS ??

      Obviously there is also blu ray
    1. mattx's Avatar
      mattx -
      Anyone know where I can get a copy of this tape ? I need to study it to get a full understanding on what all the fuss is about......
    1. GrumbleDook's Avatar
      GrumbleDook -
      Quote Originally Posted by mattx View Post
      Anyone know where I can get a copy of this tape ? I need to study it to get a full understanding on what all the fuss is about......
      I think you can download it from Wikileaks.

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