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    To BYOD or not to BYOD...

    Just wondering where you good folk stand with this and where you think it's headed. For those who are willing, I have a few questions:

    1) Do you currently have BYOD?
    2) If not, do you plan/believe you'll have it within the next 5 years?
    3) If you have it, do you limit access to authenticated Internet only?
    4) If you have it, what's been the impact on your Broadband?
    5) If you have it, is it regarded as a successful facility?
    6) If you don't have it, but are planning towards it, what are your major pros and cons?
    7) If you DO have it, what have been your major pros and cons?
    8) If you don't intend to have it, why not?

    A big ask, I know, and I know there are other threads on the subject. However, I wanted to get an idea of how others feel about it all within one thread.

    Many thanks.

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    When we get BYOD the machines wont get an internet connection. They will get a RDS session delivered to the device. That way the look and feel will be the same as the rest of the school and monitoring internet, securus etc wont be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    When we get BYOD the machines wont get an internet connection. They will get a RDS session delivered to the device. That way the look and feel will be the same as the rest of the school and monitoring internet, securus etc wont be an issue.
    Yup this would be my method personally - using something along the VDI route or load balanced Terminal Server farms. You then stop somebody's itunes collection hogging bandwidth by syncing with Icloud etc etc.

    Each device would be firewalled off from each other with only the ports required to the VDI/RDS systems and the obvious dns etc.

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    1) Do you currently have BYOD?

    Yes for both staff and students.

    3) If you have it, do you limit access to authenticated Internet only?

    Segregated captive portal wireless access. AD credentials (802.1x using Cisco Secure ACS) to authenticate, grants access to content filtered internet only.

    4) If you have it, what's been the impact on your Broadband?

    No worse than before, except when Apple releases an iOS update and every fruitpad/fruitphone in the division updates over the air, at the same time. Also, Bonjour is a particularly nasty protocol, block it if you can unless you have all of your multicast locked down neatly.

    5) If you have it, is it regarded as a successful facility?

    Yes and no. Our wireless access was never planned for high-density, so where there are large numbers of devices in a small area, performance suffers. Administration too cheap to deploy proper wireless. We would prefer to move towards an RDI solution, but once again costs for the infrastructure to support that are high, although this is the final goal.

    7) If you DO have it, what have been your major pros and cons?

    If it's theirs, they tend to take care of it. Not the case with school-provided equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibson335 View Post
    1) Do you currently have BYOD?
    2) If not, do you plan/believe you'll have it within the next 5 years?
    3) If you have it, do you limit access to authenticated Internet only?
    4) If you have it, what's been the impact on your Broadband?
    5) If you have it, is it regarded as a successful facility?
    6) If you don't have it, but are planning towards it, what are your major pros and cons?
    7) If you DO have it, what have been your major pros and cons?
    8) If you don't intend to have it, why not?
    1) Yes
    3) yes. A separate fire walled vlan with access only to internal webservers and proxy servers in DMZ
    4) not as much as I had expected. Currently using 20Mb/s out of 30Mb/s. We put the 30Mb/s line in on a 100Mb/s bearer before we introduced BYOD so we could upgrade when we needed.
    5) technically it has been successful (it works!). Impact on T+L is more difficult to quantify; as with most ICT changes 50% of teachers hate students having laptops/iphones etc in lessons and 50% think it is a great opportunity. The rule is that it is up to the individual teacher as to whether the students can use their own equipment, SLT have endorsed BYOD, but not enforced their use in lessons.
    7) major cons: you need to get the infrastructure and working culture fixed first. ie - get teachers over the fact that they will be no longer working on standalone office apps.
    Major pros: you introduce a huge amount of flexibility into the school that will see you good for years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibson335 View Post
    1) Do you currently have BYOD?
    No.

    2) If not, do you plan/believe you'll have it within the next 5 years?
    No, but we will probably be introducing managed WiFi and a greater number of iPads (or alternative) for student use in that time frame.

    3) If you have it, do you limit access to authenticated Internet only?
    If we allowed BYOD I'd probably set up un-authenticated - but filtered/monitored - Internet and web-based printing to authorised central printers.

    6) If you don't have it, but are planning towards it, what are your major pros and cons?
    8) If you don't intend to have it, why not?
    The problem for us for BYOD from a pupil perspective is teaching and support. Teachers will be expected to teach across a wide variety of often incompatible systems in the same classroom with no guarantees of app availability from one pupil to the next. Like whys, we as ICT Support will have to manage/troubleshoot/support every combination of iOS, Android, Blackberry and possibly even M$ on an enviably dizzing number of disparate devices.

    If we aim to buy our own (7" iPad's would be a favourite) on a 1:1 pupil ratio then we only have one ecosystem to support, and we can guarantee software availability for staff to do proper lesson planning. I think BYOD will quickly result in the lowest common denominator - a class full of web browsers. Where as 1:1 tablets on a single ecosystem as the potential for so much more.

    I think 1:1 tablets and thus managed WiFi will open up the network to initially allow staff to BYOD (internet access from their smartphones) but we will be providing them with their own iPads instead of Laptops to lesson plan with. Whether pupils will ever be allowed to BYOD would probably be viewed along the same lines as them bringing their own mobile phones into school. From a teaching and learning point of view we would be advocating 1 ecosystem and would be looking to supply the devices on that ecosystem.

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    1) Do you currently have BYOD?
    Yes - Staff and years 10, 11 and the sixth form.

    3) If you have it, do you limit access to authenticated Internet only?
    Yes - radius server along with MAC authentication and few policies on the smoothwall

    4) If you have it, what's been the impact on your Broadband?
    Non to be honest, although we only have 30MBs on a 100MB bearer which can be upgraded as and when required.

    5) If you have it, is it regarded as a successful facility?
    Yes - Staff utilise it a lot along with citrix esp those staff that prefer to use their own MACs. Students use it mostly for research and accessing their documents via HAP+ along with email. Some teachers encourage students to use their own devices in classes.

    7) If you DO have it, what have been your major pros and cons?
    As above is difficult to answer that from a teaching and learning perspective although feedback from teachers that encourage its use is positive and find it a valuable resource. Not really any cons that i can think of, just another system to initially setup and then it runs itself. From a user perspective there is the con of what if my battery runs out in a lesson etc.

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