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    Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Ok, the killer question:

    SHOULD WE KEEP OUR ADMIN AND CURRICULUM NETWORKS SEPERATE?

    This seems to have been a policy kept in place at most schools I've come across. But we have a new assistant head who is talking about merging the whole lot. We're not talking just about joining the physical network here. We're talking about putting Admin and curriculum servers all on the same domain. The only thing then seperating the two is the security and GP settings for staff and pupils.

    I have heard all sorts of rumours that lots of other schools are merging their networks together. I've even heard that some LEAs are insisting on it. I can see where their argument is, that in the end schools are needing to have access to both networks from every room. ie. they need to have access to admin to register lessons, and they need to have access to curriculum for subject based work etc etc.

    To run two seperate netorks to every room doubles the time, energy and cost involved because let's face it, not many schools are organized enough to pull the cables all at the same time.

    So I am asking for your thoughts on this. Have you merged your networks? Do you feel safe to do so? Can you trust staff to be security conscious in the classroom?

    Thanks

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    The govt eventually wants you to have a single integrated network, as they have a big thing for information availablity. The only problem I think you will encounter will be getting the staff to become more security concious whn it comes to leaving computers logged on etc.

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    what we do mainly because how embc run the vlan switch is that we have an isa box sitting between two networks and that solves secuirty problems..

    Russ

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box
    The only problem I think you will encounter will be getting the staff to become more security concious when it comes to leaving computers logged on etc.
    A tough one for sure

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Well, the way I see it the only reason to keep the two networks separate is if the Network Manager is an idiot (and if you're on this site, I'm guessing that you're not!). As long as you have the technical skill and sense to ensure that everything is secured correctly then there is no reason why you should separate the networks.

    Aside from that is the logistical nightmare of running two networks - two sets of equipment & infrastructure to maintain, two AD structures, two sets of updates to be done...

    So unless there is some defining business reason for it, I would run one network for all.

    (And apologies if this post sounds a little angry. Its just too damn hot here!)

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Another reason to keep the networks completely separate (if the IT manager is an idiot or not!!!) is to keep the admin side virus free!!!

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Depressingly I usually find its the other way round.

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    For some schools keeping seperate domains for admin and curriculum is down to damage limitation ...

    Part of me almost wished that we had stuck with seperate domains ... the amount of grief from some admin staff is unbelievable ... whereas others are fantastic ...

    Damn ... they really are becoming like teachers!

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff
    Depressingly I usually find its the other way round.
    Im with geoff on this one 90% of viruses are on the admin network here.

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff
    Depressingly I usually find its the other way round.
    Have to agree but then the kids side is locked more tightly than admin.

    We have the two domains connected - staff and kids can log on to the same machine, with a few dedicated sims workstations, that kids can also log on to.

    I have a problem with staff letting kids use thier passwords alright. This year i'm getting really heavy handed with the AUP etc.

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Well problem number one is users have to be at least power users to use sims.net on the admin network..........

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Not true chris

    I have found ways around that, despite what our sims folk tell us hehe

    NTFS permissions on:

    C:\Program Files\SIMS .net\

    to Full Controll for everybody / Anonymous Logon
    (havent tried just Modify rights - but that might do)

    Make sure that it replicates throughout the directory i.e. so that all files and folders within that folder have those NTFS permissions and job done

    You may think that dangerous, but if you have hidden & disallowed access to C drive for your users, they wont see it to change it anyhow

    Enjoy
    Nath.

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Yes- it would be *nice* if the two were merged into one network for sure. When I started at Kingswood the big thing was keeping them separate no matter what, but then I'm told this year by county that eventually *common sense* will prevail and the two will become one.

    The other side of me says though that the person who has made this decision "higher up" may not understand the true ramifications of that decision. Perhaps in the long term it will be better- heck I have two separate networks with different IP configurations, different hardware and server platforms and such to support; it would be nice to unify this mess. But in the short term it would be a nightmare for us of almost epic proportions!

    How many of us know staff members who allow sixth-formers to log on the SIMS equipped machines on the LAN using the teacher's credentials to download stuff from the internet or play games etc? I was appalled to find that this had been going on on our network, but apparently it's par for the course.

    I think that preparation would be the key to success here- getting staff members to realise that security is holistic and not reactionist. If they understand that and can be made to see the danger in breeches of security where the admin and curriculum LANs are concerned, then integration of the two would be so much easier!!

    Paul

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    Whoops - forgot to comment on the thread lol

    Seperate is best for security.

    Our staff have absolutely ZERO concept of it. I grow tired of continually explaining it to them to NOT LEAVE YOURSELVES LOGGED IN!

    *ahem* excuse the ranting lol

    teachers do it.... SMT do it (inc the ICT Co-ordinator)....

    Seperate all the way lol

    N.

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    Re: Admin and Curriculum networks seperate?

    too right! seperate all the way. You can't trust (l)users, & guess who'd get the flack when sims goes up the creek... the same one who's left to sort it out!!!! I wonder what the Sims people think about convergence???

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