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    Censornet help.

    Just installed Censornet on an old box to play with but its driving me crazy! Internet will not work with its proxy.

    Put 2 network cards in it as it said too (even though i only need 1 as its being a filtering proxy not a firewall)

    Gave Private card 10.134.32.5 and the public one 10.134.32.6. Subnet 255.255.252.0 Put the upstream proxy in that i know works, put the countys DNS servers IP's in.

    I can now connect to the web interface, i have imported my users from Active Directory, the status of all the services is OK. So why when i put the proxy as 10.134.32.5 port 8080 will nothing happen? Just page cannot be displayed?

    Its driving me crazy

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    Re: Censornet help.

    Have you added the MAC addresses of the PC(s) that you want to test with to the list of permitted computers?

    If you don't set them up, you'll be able to get at the web interface, but web browsing will just sit there ignoring you. Lovely for kids who like to try plugging their own laptops into your network points, not much fun when you're testing it and forget to set up the MACs...

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    Re: Censornet help.

    Nope, i did not do that, it works now.

    Do not think i'm going to use this, its great apart from one thing. You have to login! It needs to be intergrated. Might have to wait for version 4.

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    Re: Censornet help.

    I nearly didn't go with Censornet for exactly the same reason - I'm glad I stuck with it. It took the kids all of a week to get used to and the ban/unban and reporting features are a godsend... If you have the opportunity, I'd go with it and see what happens - you may be suprised how well people cope after the initial "Why does the internet want a password?" phase.

    If it all goes horribly wrong you can always nobble it so it doesn't need any login at all, but you lose most of the usefulness of the reporting tools.

    On my other site I'm running vanilla Squid, Dansguardian and an IdentD service on the Windows workstations to pass usernames to the proxy. This means usernames get into the logs automatically with no authorisation box but keeping up with bans/reports etc is a nightmare compared to the shiny Censornet interface - I'd much rather be running Censornet, waiting to get round to installing my new domain server first though.

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    Re: Censornet help.

    My concern is kids typing in other kids usernames and passwords, as they like to share passwords (Stupid kids).

    So that would mean, internet blocked, i'll use my mates logon. or lets logon as person X who i do not like and search for porn. If they are stupid enough to let others know there passwords then its there fault i know, but its not going to stop that problem.

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    Re: Censornet help.

    It does limit concurrent connections - so people will find if they decide to 'borrow' their friends logon, their friend isn't amused when they find they can't get on the net because their banned friend is already using their password.

    If you have a problem with kids using other kids passwords to logon, whatever system you use will still have problems - the passwords used for censornet are the same as the domain logon passwords, so if a student can log on as another student any software that grabs the username from a machine or authenticates with it automatically is still going to end up with the wrong user.

    We quickly found that the level of logging provided meant it didn't take long for the kids to realise that we could tell who they were even if they used someone elses internet password - and crucify the both of them instead of just one of them

    e.g. someone logs on at PC1 as John, connects to the net with the username Steve. Steve shows up in the logs on Censornet, but when you check the time and workstation IP against the domain server logs, you'll see John was logged on. Both of them lose their internet access for a week (assuming it was deliberate sharing).

    Kids soon stopped sharing their passwords (and taking a lot more care not to let people see them!) after a month or so... :twisted:

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    Re: Censornet help.

    The logon box is annoying but it means they dont forget that password as often as they have to type it in more . Another thing to watch out for is the DHCP server. Cant remember if they fixed it or not as Im running a slightly older version but even if you disable DHCP in the setup it still seems to be there to respond to clients but nack them. I found the ip in my workstation logs as it always found that DHCP server before the windows one

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    Re: Censornet help.

    ISA Server 2004 + Smart Filter
    All ya need
    And its not that expensive. Setup the rule to allow net access out for only people with say "Web User" group.
    Then get smart reporter (included) to weekly email you a report.
    Also isa blocks file downloads too

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    Re: Censornet help.

    Smart filter does not check the content though just URLs ?

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    Re: Censornet help.

    I think isa does a better job. Like the firewall in control.

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    Re: Censornet help.

    If you want a better firewall then a modded Smoothwall would be good. URL filtering is only as good as the list you feed it. Content filtering has the ability to filter alot more stuff simply because the page has to pass though it.
    Blocking downloads is easy with these setups as well as you can block/allow any file/mime types you like.
    But at the end of the day people use what they like and find to perform well. I just like solutions that are based around Dansguardian.

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    Re: Censornet help.

    I'm currently using ISA Server. We have an RM Not So Smartcache too that the county gave us, used it for a very short while then stopped using it, its an awful peice of crap and went back to ISA Server. I'm sure our county is getting a backhander off RM since nobody in there right mind would buy one of these not so smartcache's and they put one in every school (along with recommending CC3 and the broadband coming via these idiots, but thats another story/thread)

    This Censornet is 99.9% perfect, so when version 4 comes out i think i'll be changing to it. I'm just not happy over the whole asking for your login details again, it began to piss me off when i was just testing and playing with the box.

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    Re: Censornet help.

    Im considering a few options here

    ISA 2004, Censornet, Smoothwall or Dansguard.

    All have their advantages

    At the moment we rely on Salford for our proxy, but they cant get their filtering right, and it takes 24 hours before any block/unblock request is dealt with (they objected to blocking all but the www section of Google!)

    Passwords shouldnt be a problem cos they already use a password now

    At moment the plan is to go with ISA 2004, but gonna test the other methods as well.

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    Re: Censornet help.

    ISA - noooooooooo! It does nothing of any use to us here. The blocking is shocking (and I'm a poet), you can't block by keyword, the application blocking doesn't appear to work... need I go on?

    Censornet looked excellent when I saw it, Smoothwall was also a very nice piece of kit, and if I'd been in this school before they agreed to pay whatever extortionate amount it was for ISA, I'd have asked them to reconsider for something that would do the job, and better...

    (nb: I may be biased as the setup here is probably nowhere near perfect, and I haven't the time to properly investigate it)

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    Re: Censornet help.

    I'm having a rather different problem with censornet, it seems to be killing my network when switched on! Clients are unable to logon displaying domain unavailable, when I check there assigned IP address they apear to have a correct address but the DNS suffix instead of displaying the correct domain states "local". Have checked to make sure DHCP is disabled on the censornet box, as soon as i power the box down all is well, anyone any idea?

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