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Wired Networks Thread, Do network cables HAVE to be terminated in a patch panel? Regulations? in Technical; We have some done this way, and the ends are shocking any slight movement we can lose connectivity or it ...
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    We have some done this way, and the ends are shocking any slight movement we can lose connectivity or it drops from 1gb to 100mb. I'm sorting this over the next holiday - I always say go for patch panels!

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    Oh dear.

    What if them points were not going to be used for data and you wanted to run a video sender over one!!

    Get them back in to re do it and terminate to a patch panel, what is a patch panel, 50, its nothing.

    Cross them off your list and don't use them again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    Solid core is not designed to be terminated with the little plug blades and so the connection is going to be suspect at best let alone the bend etc.
    Just to nitpick on this - there are such things as solid core plugs where the blades are designed differently and work fine with solid cable. I sometimes use them to wire in APs, and they work fine.

    Still best practice to use a patch panel, but if they have used the right termination plugs, connection quality should not be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekyPete View Post
    Then you get fired because of the kind of bloke you are and it then = 4x the job for the bloke who fills your shoes.
    I think Theblacksheep was implying that you have only done 1/2 the job if you patch straight in, not that he would only do a half arsed job himself!

    You know what happens when you ass-u-me!!

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    What about getting something like this. Black Box Cat6 Feed-Through Patch Panels

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    What was the Company name? I ask so I know never to let them near my site, not getting at you, just want to make sure they don't set foot in here

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    No patch panel? Sounds like someone having a go not a professional. Are they using pre terminated cables as well? are they even using solid core?

    if I saw this I'd fire them and withhold payment. Unacceptable.

    (unless its an in house bodge because you just need it "now"

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    this sort of stuff is part of a death by a thousand compromises...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaz View Post
    What about getting something like this. Black Box Cat6 Feed-Through Patch Panels
    Not a terrible idea, but as someone else said, putting an RJ45/8P8C connector on the end of a solid core CAT5e/CAT6 cable is not going to be as good as on a stranded one - the contact may be a bit hit and miss. So, you'd need to make sure its properly done. Not to mention, those panels are outrageously expensive! Normal ones are 20-40.

    I'd still say do it properly with a punch-down patch panel.
    Last edited by localzuk; 5th February 2014 at 09:21 AM.

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    I would fire the company that did that without a seconds thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Not a terrible idea, but as someone else said, putting an RJ45/8P8C connector on the end of a solid core CAT5e/CAT6 cable is not going to be as good as on a stranded one - the contact may be a bit hit and miss. So, you'd need to make sure its properly done. Not to mention, those panels are outrageously expensive! Normal ones are 20-40.

    I'd still say do it properly with a punch-down patch panel.
    Hes got 3 options really.

    Cut all the cables and patch panel them - A lot of work and will the company still honour the work they have already done if you modify it?
    Use a pass through patch panel - easy work but connection may be flaky (only if moved about alot and if they are patched into a panel then they won't be moving)
    Get the company back in to do the work - can you trust them to do the work?

    Just got to work out the time to cost to effort ratio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryTechnician View Post
    Just to nitpick on this - there are such things as solid core plugs where the blades are designed differently and work fine with solid cable. I sometimes use them to wire in APs, and they work fine.

    Still best practice to use a patch panel, but if they have used the right termination plugs, connection quality should not be an issue.
    I can see where you are coming from on this. The AP in the ceiling isn't going to be moved much. But it is still cutting corners. The correct way to do it is mount an ethernet socket in a box close by the AP and patch it from there. I think the OP isn't talking about that end of the wire though.He's talking about a patch panel in the cab. Are you suggesting that RJ45 solid core plugs are an acceptable alternative to a patch panel?

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    Any decent company should put a patch panel in unless a big problem is preventing (i.e. lack of room) but this should of been flagged up when they looked at the work.

    I would of got seriously ear bashing and sent back out to do the job properly If I'd of done that in a previous job when I used to do network cabling.

    A patch panel + patch cables would be more expensive but should be a hell of a lot more manageable, reliable and look a hell of a lot better.
    Last edited by Davit2005; 5th February 2014 at 10:08 AM.

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    Sounds messy!!!

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    What about labelling? is there anyway to marry the end in the server room with the socket at the other end? Or have they just put an ethernet plug on that end too?

    really, call this bloke's boss. He's doing no one any favours, least of all his employers.

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