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Windows Thread, Gaming Rig Bottleneck in Technical; Originally Posted by Arthur There must be something wrong with your setup then. I have a similar PC (Core 2 ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    There must be something wrong with your setup then. I have a similar PC (Core 2 Quad Q6600 running at 3.2GHz (from 2.4GHz), Asus P35 motherboard, 8GB DDR2-800 RAM, Radeon HD 4870 w/ 1GB RAM) and Windows 7 runs perfectly fine.
    It ran, but XP ran faster, and ubuntu ran faster still.
    Even software specs have higher system requirements for 7 than they do XP, so there must be some truth that 7 hogs more resources.

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    The 64-bit version of XP would be a terrible choice. You will find that many games do not support it.
    I'll probably stick to 32bit XP.

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    This is a rather old write up that shows overall that even when the drivers etc were newish and the OS support was lacking (XP) that AHCI was better for fast IO which could be a gaming upgrade all by itself if it is not already enabled.
    AHCI vs IDE

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    I'll probably stick to 32bit XP.
    98SE was much quicker on the same hardware, maybe try than and can the upgrade altogether
    Last edited by SYNACK; 28th August 2011 at 03:58 PM.

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    In seriousness you asked for ways to make your system more responcive an better able to handle games and a newer version of Windows with better implementation of GPU and multithreaded programs is a valid responce. If you want to hold on to XP for personal reasons that is your perogotive but we were only answering the question you answered.

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    Another advantage to Windows 7 is that you won't have to faff around integrating the SATA drivers like you do with XP. It would be interesting to see if your computer is still dog slow once you enable AHCI.

    As AngryTechnician demonstrated on his blog, W7 also lowers your electricity bill too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    That sounds like a good option, but would adding a 6850 to my existing card be better than a single card? I don't really know how crossfire works? do they need to be the same card?
    You need the same card generation to do Crossfire.

    Also, you really want to update to Windows 7 now, as game support is better in it. My system I was talking about earlier is running 32bit XP Windows 7 and it is fine. Sure, it doesn't fly, but it runs everything I throw at it just fine.
    Last edited by localzuk; 28th August 2011 at 04:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    Is this my best bet to improve gaming performance, e.g. battlefield, Deus Ex?
    Are you planning on playing Battlefield 3 and Deus Ex: Human Revolution? If so, BF3 doesn't support XP at all and Windows 7 is recommended for Deus Ex: HR.

    Almost all of the latest games will be optimized for Windows 7.

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    Well I can't afford to do Windows 7 and CPU/Graphics.
    so which would give me a better performance, a graphics card, a CPU or windows 7?

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    Do the GPU and the OS, look at doing the CPU later, overall this will probably work out smoother for the games especially with the support. Which will work best depends heavily on the game and how it is programed so in some cases the CPU would make it faster than the OS even with the XP crippleing but for the best support for the games the OS will help.

    Unfourtunatly it is so late in the cycle now it may be worth waiting for the next version which is probably due eairly next year. If you can get home premium for a good price under OEM then it may be worth it but thinking about it more it may be more worth going the hardware route now given how late to the show it is.

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    I can't believe people are still sticking with XP. It wasn't even designed when dual cores in standard PC's were even slightly common. The whole software stack is completely geared against the multithreading that is available in the current OSs. x64 XP is a completely bad idea, MS have almost completely dropped support for it.

    Having to use XP at work feels totally backwards after all the GUI and usability advances in the later OSes.

    If you want a real boost in real term performance on modern PCs I would recommend an SSD for sheer boot up and also game loading time performance they cannot be beaten.

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    TBH I don't actually use XP, 99% of the time I run on linux at school and at home so I have absolutely no interest in the 'advances' in the windows GUI, it's just there to load games. I've been playing BF2 fine on the current system (dual boot XP) and was thinking ahead to DeusEx (which is in the post

    I'll probably wait for windows8 if it's going to help with game performance that much and stick a new gfx in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    it may be worth waiting for the next version which is probably due early next year.
    By early next year, do you mean Autumn 2012?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    By early next year, do you mean Autumn 2012?
    There is a chunk of uncertainty about that Microsoft Windows 8 release date: 2012; demo next week - Computerworld Blogs

    "there's a kind of hush" Ballmer has softly whispered ... that Windows 8 will
    be out in time for 2012. ... The first time that [Microsoft] has given a time
    frame for the operating system and ... that he has mentioned the OS by name.
    It depends on which is more correct, but I'm sure CyberNerd would be a little irked if he brought it and it was replaced 4 months later.

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    Dx10 is a minimum requirement for a lot of new games, and that means vista or better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    It depends on which is more correct, but I'm sure CyberNerd would be a little irked if he brought it and it was replaced 4 months later.
    I would be too, but based on recent news articles it's very unlikely it will be...

    Windows 8 still has no firm release date, but if it follows Windows 7's precedent, we'll probably see a beta sometime in early 2012, followed by a release candidate in the spring and RTM in the summer before the OS is released to the public in the fall. (Source)
    There's still no word on a release date, with the second half of 2012 still being the most likely estimate. (Source)
    If Microsoft sticks to the same three year development cycle as Windows 7 then TechNet/MSDN subscribers will be able to download the final RTM version of Windows 8 in the summer, while CyberNerd would have to wait another 2-3 months before it is available to buy in the shops/online.

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