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    Re: copyright help.

    So in those terms as long as they only use one copy at a time you'll be fine, but if nother are used together it could be claimed that you've effectively stopped the staff purchasing another copy, hence, against the commercial interests of the copyright holder. If everyone just copied everything once, only half as much stuf woul dbe sold.

    Speaking of which, when are these machines that can make anything from anything else coming into existance? I remember my ex's dad talking about them once, but cna't remember the name.

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    Re: copyright help.

    I think that was on Star Trek

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    Re: copyright help.

    No you wont. As I said before, to copy a commercial DVD you must bypass the CSS copy protection system. Breaking DRM is a crime.

    So while yes, you might have the right to make a copy under 'Fair Dealing', the DRM system prevents you from exercising that right.

    In conclusion, DRM sucks.

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    Re: copyright help.

    What if you can make a 1:1 without affecting the DRM?

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    Re: copyright help.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattx
    At the end of the day who is going to know ?
    If its to benifit the children & in the realms of their education - do it.
    We all record TV shows, tapes, CDs, etc etc - thats all illegal.
    You do have an ERA agreement in place, don't you? This allows the recording of TV broadcasts and the storage on servers, for use in or by the school.

    The real difficulty is with purchaced material. If I record "Romeo + Juliet" from the BBC I can keep it on video, copy to DVD or a server, and keep it forever. If someone loses this copy and I buy a new copy, should I be allowed to digitise and store it on the server? In law, probably not; BUT FFS WHY?

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    Re: copyright help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midget
    What if you can make a 1:1 without affecting the DRM?
    That would be fine.

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    Re: copyright help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff
    Breaking DRM is a crime.
    Which Act? The RIAA may be able to enforce that in the States, but I'm not so sure here. (IANAL)

    Quote Originally Posted by mrforgetfull
    Speaking of which, when are these machines that can make anything from anything else coming into existance? I remember my ex's dad talking about them once, but cna't remember the name.
    "Von Neuman machines", taking the local raw materials and building copies of themselves.

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    Re: copyright help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff
    No you wont. As I said before, to copy a commercial DVD you must bypass the CSS copy protection system. Breaking DRM is a crime.

    So while yes, you might have the right to make a copy under 'Fair Dealing', the DRM system prevents you from exercising that right.

    In conclusion, DRM sucks.
    This depends on the region encoding, if its region 0 then has no DRM encoding.

    Breaking DRM is not a crime, at least not yet in the uk, but it is in the good ole US of A under the DMCA.

    DRM is exactly that, Digital Rights Mananement which is supposed to make it difficult to unencode discs with unlicensed software, however your main issue is copyright, and usually the reason that people want to break DRM is to enable them to infringe on the copyrighted material. Of course there are good reasons to break the DRM as well, for instance I might want to watch a Japanese Manga movie that has been region encoded, if this is the original disc, I can either get a second DVD player with the appropriate region decoder, or get a software decoder on my PC, or many other ways.

    However I am usually wrong so take all the above with a pinch of salt.

    Your best move is to contact the copyright holder of the DVD and ask them if they will allow you make a copy of the DVD for a media server, get permission in writing (or an email and store it with your licenses), I find hinting that you would be more inclined to buy from there catalogue will increase your chances of getting this permission.

    Regards

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    Re: copyright help.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrforgetful
    So in those terms as long as they only use one copy at a time you'll be fine, but if nother are used together it could be claimed that you've effectively stopped the staff purchasing another copy, hence, against the commercial interests of the copyright holder. If everyone just copied everything once, only half as much stuf woul dbe sold.

    Speaking of which, when are these machines that can make anything from anything else coming into existance? I remember my ex's dad talking about them once, but cna't remember the name.
    Moving towards it with these

    http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome

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    Re: copyright help.

    Which Act?
    Copyright and Related Rights Regulations 2003. In particular pay attention to regulation 24 and section 296.

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988...n_3.htm#mdiv24

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988...21.htm#mdiv296

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    Re: copyright help.

    It is illegal under the Copyright, Designas and Patents Act of 1988. The attempt to bypass any patented system design to enforce or uphold copyright legislation is illegal even for personal use. To then distribute the copies (not just physical disks but electronic content) is a further breach of this act and the sale of such copies is another breach of this act amongst others.

    ERA is the common use of recording, storing and copying of free-to-air content within schools and PVSL is the agreement (via Filmbank) to show copyrighted DVDs or Videos that are commercially bought. PVSL does not allow for any form of copying, electronic storing or electronic distribution other that playing the DVD / Video directly from one player to the scree and audience.

    There is very clear legislation about this and even though we might not agree with it we cannot say it does not exist.

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    Re: copyright help.

    Nice concluding post Tony hehe

    Nath.

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    Re: copyright help.

    There is very clear legislation about this and even though we might not agree with it we cannot say it does not exist.
    So we shall just ignore it then..... ;-) Like most people.

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    Re: copyright help.

    Or, we put pressure on "someone" to create a mechanism that allows for this. I'd be happy (ish) if the ERA / PVSL licence cost a bit more to cover it, although the Fat Cats seem to get enough as it is...

    There was talk in the press not that long ago about relaxation, but I can't remember the detail. Culture Secretary said something maybe?

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    Re: copyright help.

    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky
    So what do people say to staff then when they ask?"
    Usually a variation of "What part of 'illegal' are you struggling with here?'



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