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    Getting an addresses from DHCP looks like accessing the server software to me.
    So if a guest speaker or teacher comes to school with their own laptop and it gets dhcp lease you need a cal for this?. I sort of remember from the past that printers need a cal but does anybody bother to buy them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsnetman View Post
    So if a guest speaker or teacher comes to school with their own laptop and it gets dhcp lease you need a cal for this?. I sort of remember from the past that printers need a cal but does anybody bother to buy them?
    Take a look at the MS 2008 Licensing FAQs

    The relevant question:
    Q. If a user is only infrequently accessing certain protocols or services of the server software (such as Network Access Protection or Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol), is a Windows Server CAL still required?

    A. Yes, a Windows Server CAL is required for any such infrequent use/access of the server software.

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    You are right but does anybody buy cals on this premis, I guess there will be a lot of under licensed organisations out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkeh View Post
    Well this is statement on the MS 2008 licensing page:

    Getting an addresses from DHCP looks like accessing the server software to me.
    Mmmm, maybe I was thinking of external Internet access. Could have sworn I read that only authenticated devices need CALs. Have to do some digging later and see if I can find it.

    If that's the case though I might just fine myself needing Linux DHCP and DNS servers?

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    WRT to the issue of printers needing a CAL, Eric Ligman of Microsoft answers this in question #3 on his 30 in 30 website. (http://www.the30in30.com/ - will launch a Youtube video when you select the question).

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    In this school CC4 was the biggest waste of time and money I have ever known. Poor product sold well!
    Long logons, huge minimum PC spec, bloated software... the list is very large but ill save you the hassle. Avoid it!

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    I don't think that experience is representative of all setups. For example, our CC4 network has about 10 second log on times for Windows XP and 7. Though, saying that, we don't use any RM hardware - that is overpriced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webman View Post
    I don't think that experience is representative of all setups. For example, our CC4 network has about 10 second log on times for Windows XP and 7. Though, saying that, we don't use any RM hardware - that is overpriced.
    And even today they cant get ours faster than 3/4 minutes and yet the same hardware logs in within 30 seconds on the admin network.

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    Without knowing the full details, I'd put that down to hardware and/or configuration. Vanilla networks can just as easily introduce long logon times - it's not just an RM issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webman View Post
    Without knowing the full details, I'd put that down to hardware and/or configuration. Vanilla networks can just as easily introduce long logon times - it's not just an RM issue.
    We have been re-commissioned twice, had 2 network health checks and several specialist engineer visits. I am currently rebuilding stations at random and ringing them when one decides to log in faster than normal so they can isolate which portion of their bloat ware is slowing it down.
    I did see an improvement in logon times when I brought in some high spec Core2Duo PCs with 4Gb RAM, but well, that defeats the whole planned budget for upgrades to replace every PC for that sort of spec.

    I bet all your PCs are dual core and above?

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    Most. Some are P4s, but yes - most are C2D with RAM between 1GB and 4GB. Mixture of IDE and SATA disks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webman View Post
    Most. Some are P4s, but yes - most are C2D with RAM between 1GB and 4GB. Mixture of IDE and SATA disks.
    And that's the biggest issue, it was sold to run on existing hardware and clearly cant in its present state. We unfortunately have some celeron and P4 CPUs in our mix and as a primary school cant afford to replace so many in one go so soon after paying for CC4.

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    Ah. That's unfortunate. In my personal opinion, what you were originally told (about it running on that hardware) was rubbish

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    Oh yes, I am fully aware, hence why it was never incorporated into an upgrade plan. If we were informed we would have never ventured down the CC4 road and this is where I feel we were conned. They knew we couldn't afford CC4 and the hardware upgrade so neglected to inform us and once we had made the jump we found out the hard way.

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    I have always said the that minimum specs for CC4 are woefully optimistic, something I have pointed out to RM a few times.
    Dual core with 2GB ram is a must. Running Vista makes a big improvement as well.
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