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    Mandatory Profiles here too....

    Initial logon to clean PC for first time by users is around 45 seconds on mid range PC.
    Drops to around 12 seconds for subsequent logons...

    Can anyone point me in a direction to troubleshoot reducing the initial logon.

    The default user folder in netlogon is only 7.19 Mb - does nt seem large to me....so what's happening to cause an extra 30 seconds of delay?

    Cheers.

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    We use Mandatory Profiles too, the default profile is around 4Mb.

    We use group policy to cut out certain things from the profile i.e. desktop/IEhistory etc. Users pick up the All Users desktop from the workstation, My Documents and IEHistory are redirected to their homedrive (I use a free program called IE History Viewer for when we need proof of 'dodgy' surfing)

    There is also a small VB script set on the OU of each IT suite that adds the network printer connection for that room and the central colour laser when they login.

    Logins vary mainly on the age of the machine, not whether they have logged in before. The oldest PCs roughly 1 to 2 minutes, new ones around 10 seconds.

    Storage is a bit of a problem as we have used roughlyu 1.5Tb on student H: drives but after doing a search a lot of kids love backing up their USB sticks and iPods to the network grrrrrr

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    Quote Originally Posted by themightymrp View Post
    Storage is a bit of a problem as we have used roughlyu 1.5Tb on student H: drives but after doing a search a lot of kids love backing up their USB sticks and iPods to the network grrrrrr
    wooo same here - except we were backing up the heads 70GB itunes collection....

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    I chipped my profiles down to 1.91MB, and login times to 35seconds (to the second for EVERY login), and thats over wireless!

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    Mandatory profile here of just over a megabyte stored on a profile server with an SSD drive

    Login takes about 45 seconds maximum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    I chipped my profiles down to 1.91MB, and login times to 35seconds (to the second for EVERY login), and thats over wireless!
    Hi nephilim

    Whats your current setup to acheive this? Our loging times are awfull over the wireless. We dont use roaming profiles, just folder redirection. All students desktops are redirected to one location and is read only, the same with the start menu and Application data is local.
    Desktops are ok with login time but laptops can take upto 15mins!!!! The problem most of the time is the startmenu not showing up for ages!

    Thanks
    Last edited by techie08; 12th July 2010 at 11:03 AM.

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    What wireless system are you using? I found that our Ruckus system makes all the difference!

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    We use extricom but i cant help think i may be a problem with the way the users profiles are setup? do you think its because all the students are trying to access the same location for the start menu and desktop? Should these folders have write access to them?

    Thanks nephilim

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    Folders should not have write access...atleast they dont here. Extricom isnt as good at handling the amount of traffic as Ruckus can, and I did quite a large test last year on various different systems.

    Try doing a staggered log in, try a set of 5 then another set etc. Or test how long it takes for one laptop to do and see if it is feasible to do a staggered login like that

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    Do you redirect your start menus, desktop to a central location? Im not sure if it is just purely the amount of traffic as we have a 12 port extricom switch with around 20 staff laptops connected and then 30 students laptops are also trying to connect.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by techie08 View Post
    Hi nephilim

    Whats your current setup to acheive this? Our loging times are awfull over the wireless. We dont use roaming profiles, just folder redirection. All students desktops are redirected to one location and is read only, the same with the start menu and Application data is local.
    Desktops are ok with login time but laptops can take upto 15mins!!!! The problem most of the time is the startmenu not showing up for ages!

    Thanks
    2 Things that might improve things:

    Re-direct your start menu and desktop to local folders instead of a network location - that sorts out loads of problems with things like that.
    Optimise your group policies, make sure un-necessary policies are not set as the more policies that are set, the slower the login time.

    Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    2 Things that might improve things:

    Re-direct your start menu and desktop to local folders instead of a network location - that sorts out loads of problems with things like that.
    Optimise your group policies, make sure un-necessary policies are not set as the more policies that are set, the slower the login time.

    Mike.
    How would you update the shortcuts for the start menu if they were redirected locally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by techie08 View Post
    How would you update the shortcuts for the start menu if they were redirected locally?
    Using some VBS magic which checks a central location at startup to see if there's any icons that need copying over, if there are it copies them from the central store to the local folder. I've been doing it this way for years and it works brilliantly. You can get really clever with the coding as well so the script builds a customised icon set for the machine using "if xyz.exe exists then copy this icon" type statements meaning the minute you roll out new software to a set of workstations, the icon is automatically copied by the script - no manual intervention needed.

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    Can i have a copy of your script? I may have to test this ASAP as 15 mins to log on is a bit ridiculus!!!

    Thanks Maniac

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    Quote Originally Posted by techie08 View Post
    Can i have a copy of your script? I may have to test this ASAP as 15 mins to log on is a bit ridiculus!!!

    Thanks Maniac
    You can, but you'll have to give me a few minutes to seperate it out of our massive startup script as it's one giant script that does a ton of different things. Check back shortly . . .

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