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    Hmmm odd. I've downloaded jre-6u17-windows-i586.exe from Sun (the version without the Yahoo toolbar) and extracted it, I've put the jre1.6.0_17.msi and Data1.cab files in the deployment folder and set it to deploy but it fails to finish installing. It fails with and without the mst file.

    EDIT

    I grabbed the version with the toolbar and unpacked that, this one comes with an mst of it's own. I applied the mst in Orca and added my settings then generated a new mst file. This appears to of worked.

    I'll do some testing.
    Last edited by cookie_monster; 7th December 2009 at 11:34 AM.

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    Well I've edited the msi directly with the settings below but it doesn't appear to work.

    Transform:Property:
    AUTOUPDATECHECK = 0
    EULA = 1
    IEXPLORER = 1
    JAVAUPDATE = 0
    JU=0
    SYSTRAY = 0

    This is how the registry looks with those settings so for some reason it's not obeying the fields in the msi.

    Code:
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Java Update\Policy]
    "EnableJavaUpdate"=dword:00000001
    "NotifyDownload"=dword:00000001
    "NotifyInstall"=dword:00000000
    
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Java Plug-in\1.6.0_17]
    "JavaHome"="C:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6"
    "UseJava2IExplorer"=dword:00000001
    "UseNewJavaPlugin"=dword:00000001
    "HideSystemTrayIcon"=dword:00000001

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    I had a hell of time trying to disable the updater last time I tried this (I did exactly what CM did above).

    The but the weird thing was (with the version I was using, might be newer version now) that java appeared to have two ways to update itself. You seem to be able to stop jre updating itself but the jusched.exe gets installed which also updates java (if you see what I mean) and I can't figure out a way to stop this.

    In the end I just used gpo to stop jusched.exe running.

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    Interestingly there is another key that I hadn't seen that contains the settings from the msi but the two above keys still show the same settings. It's all a bit odd.

    Code:
    dows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Java Runtime Environment\1.6.0_17\MSI]
    "JU"="0"
    "OEMUPDATE"=""
    "MODE"="C"
    "FROMVERSION"="NA"
    "KERNEL"=""
    "PRODUCTVERSION"="6.0.170"
    "INSTALLDIR"="C:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\"
    "SYSTRAY"="0"
    "EULA"="1"
    "IEXPLORER"="1"
    "MOZILLA"="0"
    "JAVAUPDATE"="0"
    "AUTOUPDATECHECK"="1"
    "AUTOUPDATEDELAY"=""
    "ImageCkSum"="3407744024"
    "FullVersion"="1.6.0_17-b04"
    I think I need to find the way to change this key "AUTOUPDATECHECK"="1"

    Right I've found that and set it to 0 so we'll see.
    Last edited by cookie_monster; 7th December 2009 at 01:13 PM.

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    Ok it now looks like below, I think I'll just have to see what happens none of the settings seem to affect the policy key "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Java Update\Policy]".

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    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Java Runtime Environment\1.6.0_17\MSI]
    "JU"="0"
    "OEMUPDATE"=""
    "MODE"="C"
    "FROMVERSION"="NA"
    "KERNEL"=""
    "PRODUCTVERSION"="6.0.170"
    "INSTALLDIR"="C:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\"
    "SYSTRAY"="0"
    "EULA"="1"
    "IEXPLORER"="1"
    "MOZILLA"="0"
    "JAVAUPDATE"="0"
    "AUTOUPDATECHECK"="0"
    "AUTOUPDATEDELAY"=""
    "ImageCkSum"="3407744024"
    "FullVersion"="1.6.0_17-b04"

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    I use the group policy preferences to set the EnableJavaUpdate to 0. Sun would rather you paid for Java business edition I suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMcCoy View Post
    I use the group policy preferences to set the EnableJavaUpdate to 0. Sun would rather you paid for Java business edition I suspect.

    Yep that's about what I'm about to resort to. It's sooo anoying that they keep changing the damn thing.

    TBH now I've looked I can see that this was set on update 14 that I've been running for ages and I've never seen it try to update while an ordinary user is logged on.

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    So, to summarise, I'm best not to attempt to do what I wanted to do originally as it doesn't work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edu-IT View Post
    So, to summarise, I'm best not to attempt to do what I wanted to do originally as it doesn't work?

    I'd still alter the msi to add the "IEXPLORER"="1" section and the systray one, in fact i'd still do them all then finally either import that reg key or set it with group policy preferences (if you have server 2008).

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    deploying java works fine (as long as you use an mst or it dosent register with ie/firefox) but disabling the updater is a black art sometimes it work sometimes it dosent.

    Its also worth disabling the javawebstart service as sometimes that can cause issues upgrading/removing it at a later date as it can hang for 20 minutes or more trying to deploy

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    Why brother worrying about the new update warning

    Just keep the lastest java deployed, then you have not got to worry

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    Quote Originally Posted by davep000 View Post
    Why brother worrying about the new update warning

    Just keep the lastest java deployed, then you have not got to worry
    because they update it so frequently its hard to keep ontop of. I remember once doing i think it was 6r15 and later that day/tomorrow the next version came out

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    Well it's annoying

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    Right. So which registry key am I to use?

    Sorry, getting a bit confused! CM you could put your package somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edu-IT View Post
    Right. So which registry key am I to use?

    Sorry, getting a bit confused! CM you could put your package somewhere?

    It's this key

    Code:
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Java Update\Policy]
    "EnableJavaUpdate"=dword:00000000

    There's no package as such just the msi that you download from Sun and make those changes using Orca. I can try to put it somewhere if you like.

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