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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by altecsole
    With Ghost Enterprise edition you can install a hidden Ghost boot partition which, when you image a workstation from the server, boots the pc using the boot partition, connects to the server and downloads the image. Once the imaging has taken place it hides the boot partition again and boots using the imaged partition. It works well.
    Yep - this is what I've heard of...except I havent been able to do it lol and its probably more hassle to do it anyhow (or is it?)

    Quote Originally Posted by altecsole
    Nope. Its totally free (apart from Server 2K3/2K licence costs)
    Excellent - thats music to my ears

    Few small questions:
    - Does it use much resources?
    - Can the space it uses be on a different HD to the installed dir in C? [I plan on whacking in a ATA drive just for "image" purposes hehe]
    - Is there any problems to encounter if you run it on a DC server?
    (cost & space lol are too big an issue atm to warrant getting another server besides the email one we should be getting before the end of term - I'll use the email box mayb)
    - Any other info you can think of that would be handy to remember would be helpful ta

    *goes to find the 2k3 vol cd's*

    Regards,
    N.

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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    Ghost can image any drive/partition, I think RIPRep will only do the C: drive.

    Setting up a Ghost boot partition is fairly straightforward.

    I used to use Ghost because we had an NT 4 network. In my new job it's all W2k. If you've got W2k and can use RIS and RIPRep, I can't really see much reason for spending the money to use Ghost.

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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by altecsole
    Ghost can image any drive/partition, I think RIPRep will only do the C: drive.
    That's a pain - to maintain compatability with the Citrix system all our machines have 2 partitions - one for apps and 1 for the system. Can anyone confirm this? Ta!

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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by altecsole
    Ghost can image any drive/partition, I think RIPRep will only do the C: drive.
    Well yes, naturally lol I was on about the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by altecsole
    Setting up a Ghost boot partition is fairly straightforward.
    Cool...I'll have to try it sometime as...

    Quote Originally Posted by altecsole
    I used to use Ghost because we had an NT 4 network. In my new job it's all W2k. If you've got W2k and can use RIS and RIPRep, I can't really see much reason for spending the money to use Ghost.
    ...I still use 98 on the older computer suite. They should be strong enough to run XP ok, but they've been going solid for 4ish years now and I think it may be a waste of £££ getting the XP licenses :S Maybe let them die and replace the whole room and feed them out to the other deptartments lol

    I'll certainly give RIS a go tho

    Cheers,
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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    I roll out an network based image with all required additional software rolled out at ppoint of install, all silent and all non user interactable.

    It does require a boot from floppy but then that's becouse our NIC's are not PXE compliant.

    Once the base image is installed we use group policy to either apply updates to exisiting software or install from scratch.

    I have this all documented somewhere if anyone needs it.

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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    Few small questions:
    - Does it use much resources?
    - Can the space it uses be on a different HD to the installed dir in C? [I plan on whacking in a ATA drive just for "image" purposes hehe]
    - Is there any problems to encounter if you run it on a DC server?
    (cost & space lol are too big an issue atm to warrant getting another server besides the email one we should be getting before the end of term - I'll use the email box mayb)
    - Any other info you can think of that would be handy to remember would be helpful ta Smile
    1. Mine runs off a duel Xeon Dell 2650 server, so there is very little performance hit.

    2. You cannot store RIS images on the root drive of a server. They must live on a seperate drive\partition.. Having a seperate drive is a good iddea

    3. You can run it on a DC happily so long as it does not stress it out. Any modern server will RIS happily.

    4. Once you have setup RIS and istalled your base OS images DO NOT delete them. it will break all of your other images.

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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    @ICTNUT:

    I have this all documented somewhere if anyone needs it.
    That would be really handy thanks

    @DB:

    Thanks for the points you made

    I'm gonna stick it on the email server i "should" be setting up soonish. Think it'll be ideal, along with wsus too [wsus on dc atm]

    Look forward to trying it over the next few weeks

    Nath

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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    Quote Originally Posted by ICTNUT
    I have this all documented somewhere if anyone needs it.
    I'd like a copy too please!

    [funny - I thought i'd already posted this!]

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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    Ghost has alot of nice features, but the main reason I'd recommend using it is TIME.

    Can re-image a machine in ~ 10 mins with Ghost and multicast 100 at the same time if you wish.

    RIS can take the best part of a day if you have a lot of software :-S

    But then again RIS doesnt cost 10 quid per machine.

    Dont go near the 'home' or 'small business' version of ghost, they're utter utter trash. The total solution suite is the way to go.

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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    When this thread was started someone asked about deploying software...
    With Ghost 8 Enterprise edition (and I assume with the new Ghost 9 Solution Suite) there is a tool called AI snapshot which will take an image of your system as it is now. You then install all your software (except MS products) and run the tool again. It then builds you a nice small compressed single EXE file with built in installer without u having to do a thing. This can then either be put into AD GPO's to be installed or installed through a batch file on startup or it can be deployed out by either double clicking on it on each machine and letting it run (the install is fully automated with NO user input needed), or use the Ghost Console to push it out accross the network, either single pc's or a multicast.

    We use this method and it's SO quick n easy most of the time (I say most because with this sort of thing some software dont play nice).

    If you want any more info on this, just ask :-)

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    Re: Ghost or software packaging?

    I have moved from Ghost to RIS for the following reasons;

    1 - Ghost images are big, and each new type of PC, or configuration (set of software) requires another image (we're talking lots of gigabytes). I know disk space is cheap, but sooner or later you have to back it up. You can create a dozen RIS images and still only use up 1Gb of disk space (thanks to the Single Instance Storage system.

    2 - Ghost images are non reversible. If an image suddenly becomes unstable, there is no surefire way of removing the conflicting apps. RIS builds are clean EVERY SINGLE TIME. If you have apps which conflict, de-allocate them using GP then rebuild your PCs. In my experience, even older PCs with quite a lot of software build quite quickly.

    3 - Ghost images are hardware or configuration specific. If the school goes out and buys some new PCs, a completely new Ghost image is required. This might take anything up to a day with lots of software (and you better make sure you install everything EXACTLY the same as in all your other images), and need a load more hard disk space. A new RIS image can be created by duplicating a basic XP image and adding the necessary drivers. Job done.



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