they've always been sensible up north.
so is this hope for us techies
they've always been sensible up north.
Sadly its not so clear cut. According to Unison ICT provision is not a 'soft service'so is hope for us techies
Definition of soft services
Soft services are the support services required for the operation of the building or
facility and support the activities carried out within the building. The range of soft
• Grounds maintenance
• Waste management
• Utility management
• Security and alarm systems
• Routine repairs and maintenance
• Equipment maintenance
There are three other categories of services to schools:
1. White-collar support services to schools such as human resources, pay roll,finance and legal services.
2. Educational support services such as school transport, school improvement and
special educational needs.
3. Information and Communications Technology (ICT) services including
maintaining and updating the extensive ICT infrastructure planned for BSF schools.
quote from bulletin
"South Lanarkshire has decided that non-teaching staff will not be transferred and will instead remain in the council’s employment, while cleaning and catering operations will remain in-house."
while ict remains part of bidding company (which is always going to happen) the staff remain/become once again lea employees...
So get best of both worlds increased ict in schools but staff dont become part of a comercial company.
For those involved in bsf this is something to aim for...
Are you 100% sure that this applies to IT staff? I can't see any of the BSF ICT firms effectively subcontracting staff back from the LEA. It would be a complete muddle.
If (as I understand it) the BSF ICT firms are going for a centralised server farm to cater for several schools then all they will need on the shop floor is mouse changers. I guess the junior IT staff would be ok, but not senior techs or NM's. I can't see they will let LEA staff loose on their shiny server farm unless they are sackable employees of said IT company. - it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.
I think the best we can all hope for is TUPE -although secondment is more likely as it usually favours the employer.
I will get some confirmation tommorow
no but n/w managers would have access to the server farm even if part of ict firm... So n/w managers in no worst postion...
This is not an ideal situation but at least we are in postion of still being emplyed by the lea/school...
As said all along you have to accept bsf is coming things will change maybe not for better but as it stands forces far stronger than you and me are pushing this
So take each small victory when can... Its start of long proccess of making bsf into a working solution...
Here is bulletin in full...
"UK’s largest schools PFI rejects soft services
PPP Bulletin 4/07/2006
South Lanarkshire Council has opted to leave soft services and transfer of staff out of its £400m schools PFI following a Treasury’s report admitting failings in elements of the scheme.
Published in March this year, the report said: "The government's view is that the evidence on satisfaction with soft services does not demonstrate value for money as consistently as other elements of the framework” and “While standards are no worse than in non-PFI structures, PFI has not led to a step change in soft service delivery.” As a result, South Lanarkshire has decided that non-teaching staff will not be transferred and will instead remain in the council’s employment, while cleaning and catering operations will remain in-house.
The leader of South Lanarkshire Council, councillor Eddie McAvoy said that although he was delighted with the project, “Of equal importance is the Council’s ability to retain its entire staff. ”
InspirED comprising Amec, Innisfree and Equion is the wining consortium for the project comprising 17 secondary schools. The construction will have three phases, which are scheduled for completion in the second half of 2007, 2008, and 2009.
Barclay's Capital, acting for InspirED Education, issued bonds worth £352.2m to finance the deal. XL Capital Assurance (UK) acted as Credit Provider.
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thanks..I will get some confirmation tommorow
I entirely agree with your sentiments about making the best out of this, and I've seen/heared of enough poor SMT ICT decisions around here to actually think there will be a lot of positive aspects of BSF ICT.
IMO BSF will bring an overall improvement in ICT planning and spending with a gradual reduction in service. Its likely (and again IMO) that schools ICT staff will have their roles reduced significantly - (eg there will be no need for a SIMS/Exchange/AD admin in each school). I doubt there will be much freedom of choice of what software gets taught either, but we'll see.
And probably means an end to what little open source software is used in schools at present as well; once the "it doesn't cost money so it can't be any good" brigade get their hands on ICT. :x
@webman - isn't this why MS have taken such a lead in BSF - so they can crush the competition? I'd bet Sun will do an ok job of this bit though - it will be OOo /opensolaris only! lol
Don't forget the funky Sun workstations and SunRay terminals!Originally Posted by CyberNerd
Absolutely, of course it is.Originally Posted by CyberNerd
That's okay when bsf comes to our council i'll look for a challenging role lol
I can relate to this as this is how my previous employer's setup is:Originally Posted by CyberNerd
The network (covering all primary/secondary schools in area) is provided by Fujitsu who have a central server farm located in one of the secondaries. There are also servers in every secondary to deal with local file/backup/proxy services, etc. The servers & infrastructure are owned by Fujitsu and the schools have no physical interaction with them. Maintenance must be logged to the Fujitsu helldesk & a tech (there are TWO for over fifty schools!!!) would attend.
The desktops are wholly owned by the schools, althought they are bought from Fujitsu only to maintain consistancy, and schools pay a yearly maintenance fee per machine for support. All schools have the same Ghost image applied, but the schools can install their own software if they wish.
Each school utilises one of their Technicians/Technical Assistants in the IT role, either as their primary role or as a secondary role. Their job is to basically act as tier 1 support for the school and have limited admin rights to the desktops. They can also add/remove/disable users & alter NTFS permissions on the network.
In some cases, this works quite well, although where I worked I was continually frustrated by the inability to do some basic tasks myself (eg, a restore from backups had to go the helpdesk who passed it on to the network admins 50 miles away. They then phoned me up to change to the relevant backup tape, and then remoted into the server & restored the file(s). This could take anywhere from an hour up to a week in some situations!) Now I could have completed the task in this example in five minutes, and that included the travelling time to put the backup tape in.
So it is perfectly feasible for a PFI company to run your network completely & still have in-house IT staff employed by the LEA, but your in-house staff run the risk of getting VERY frustrated!
Hope that's not to much of a rambling rant...
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