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    64 bit servers

    Has anyone bought a 64 bit server recently? Any advice on what I should go for?

    Naturally it depends on what I am using it for - but I have a budget of £2500 - £3000

    Gareth

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    Pretty much all current mainstream server CPUs are 64 bit.
    For your budget you will probably be looking at a dual quad core xeon system with 4-8GB of ram, disk configuration will mainly depend on what you need it for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterW View Post
    Pretty much all current mainstream server CPUs are 64 bit.
    For your budget you will probably be looking at a dual quad core xeon system with 4-8GB of ram, disk configuration will mainly depend on what you need it for.
    I want to play with virtualisation in Windows 2008 - someone mentioned HYperV so I thought I would start looking into it.

    All of our current servers are 32bit running a mixture of Windows 2003 and 2003R2

    I just want to play a bit.

    GJE

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    Most newer hardware is 64bit compatible, but the majority of people still operate 32Bit. I haven't seen the need to upgrade to 64Bit Windows.

    I can highly recommend Core 2 Duo processors and as for memory, either 667 or 800 DDR2; but make sure it has ECC As for hard drives, SATA2 is worth looking at instead of SCSI. The cost/performance is much more favourable. You may also wish to look at RAID depending on your requirements.

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    I want to play with virtualisation in Windows 2008 - someone mentioned HYperV so I thought I would start looking into it.
    If it is just for playing then you don't need to go too crazy just get plenty of ram and a single socket entry level box. However if you are actually going to start using it seriously and start to virtualize you will probably want to do some reasearch into storage requirements etc.

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    MS have released a Bare Metal Hyper-V basically 2k8 core with hyper-v on... to run the mmc snap-in manager you will need another 2k8 server or Vista Client.

    If all you want to do is run Virtual Servers on the box then a Core install of 2K8 is a good idea or the aforementioned bare metal release.
    if its just for testing then i guess you don't need to go crazy maybe even a desktop board will do with a quad core intel... but watch out as some desktop boards will max out at 8gb... though some take 16... if you want to use it proper then don't buy the desktop stuff... I guess the key is a lot of RAM since each VS will take 1 - 4 GB depending on its role. disk system will depend on what you want them to do as stated earlier!

    i think i mentioned in a different thread what our VS host does and has in it
    Physical to Virtual

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    Anecdotally re the 32bit/64bit thing, it's folly to opt for 32bit systems at this day and age. 32 bit operating systems should by all rights have been long gone 5 years ago with 64 bit being phased in nearly 10 years ago but complacency and laziness has been a major hiccup on the part of software development.

    More to the point, whats the use of a 32bit server when you can only use up to 4gb (not even that) of memory. You may not need that much now but when you start munching the memory with names like Norton, Vista etc it soon adds up!

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    Most servers now are 64-bit, we got a IBM xServe which has 2008 64-bit, runs lovely

    I think the next server version of windows is just going to be 64-bit I heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanT View Post
    Most servers now are 64-bit, we got a IBM xServe which has 2008 64-bit, runs lovely

    I think the next server version of windows is just going to be 64-bit I heard.
    Windows Server 2008 R2 is dropping support for 32-bit only CPUs. Windows 7 will still support them however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfish View Post
    Windows Server 2008 R2 is dropping support for 32-bit only CPUs. Windows 7 will still support them however.
    Thats the one

    think we got a download of 2008 R2 beta on our MSDN site

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    I have a ML350G5, running 200864bit, a few minor problems but on the whole it runs very well. I do need more ram though, but its coping well with 100 pcs on 2 gigs of ram. Like I said it needs more ram. I do however have a second server as a back up domain controller which also does helps with dns and folder redirection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    I can highly recommend Core 2 Duo processors and as for memory, either 667 or 800 DDR2; but make sure it has ECC As for hard drives, SATA2 is worth looking at instead of SCSI. The cost/performance is much more favourable. You may also wish to look at RAID depending on your requirements.
    Core 2 Duo would be a poor choice for a Hyper-V server. You should be looking at up to date dual or quad core Xeon processors.

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    Core 2 Duo would be a poor choice for a Hyper-V server. You should be looking at up to date dual or quad core Xeon processors.
    You do realise newer Xeons are just Core 2 Duo or Quad with Xeon branding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    You do realise newer Xeons are just Core 2 Duo or Quad with Xeon branding?
    Try doing a side by side benchmark test...

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    You do realise newer Xeons are just Core 2 Duo or Quad with Xeon branding?
    This can be complicated it actually depends on which Xeons you are talking about, if you are talking about the 3xxx series 775 single socket range then yes they are just renamed Core2 Duo & Core2 Quad parts.

    Most people will be using 5xxx series which are the dual socket proper server/workstation chips and a different thing.



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