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    MS Virtual Server for free?

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...e/default.mspx

    Wow

    I know people will probably say "I prefer VMWare" but hey, free is good

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    hmmm $20 shipping though

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    VMWare made their server free first :P

    OK it's beta but that just means they're more honest

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    Actually, according to Mike Gunderloy on the Larkware site, the full release product will also be free to download.

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    Quote Originally Posted by plexer
    hmmm $20 shipping though

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    Not if you download it. Its not even 30MB

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    IMHO the vmware is a far better product, MS playing catchup as usual.

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    Does Virtual Server support snapshots or cloning? The current VMWare (free) server doesn't.

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    I just setup the free Virtual Server 2005 R2 on our test server and it's working a treat. easy peasey!

    Register for the free download here,
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    Yes but with the cd version you get a copy of server 2003 r2 to run on it

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd
    IMHO the vmware is a far better product, MS playing catchup as usual.
    The end is nigh for VMware. Microsoft have decide to enter a market with all guns blazing. VMWAre may soon go the way of Netware, Netscape [hey is there a pattern here], WordPerfect [no, guess not], Lotus 1-2-3, Havard Graphics, OS/2 etc. etc.

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    The end is nigh for VMware. Microsoft have decide to enter a market with all guns blazing. VMWAre may soon go the way of Netware, Netscape [hey is there a pattern here], WordPerfect [no], Lotus 1-2-3, Havard Graphics, OS/2 etc. etc.
    I entirely agree, MS are trying to kill VMWare but at the moment vmware (commercial) is superior, even running on windows. Unless the EU force MS to open up The likes ofVMWare don't stand a chance competing against them.

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd
    MS are trying to kill VMWare but at the moment vmware (commercial) is superior, even running on windows. Unless the EU force MS to open up The likes ofVMWare don't stand a chance competing against them.
    The thing that puzzles me is why are they bothering. People still needed licenses in order to run guest OSes. Microsoft would still get paid no matter how sucessful VMWare became in what is a niche market anyway.

    Xen is another matter altogether as its open source and free in both senses.

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    The thing that puzzles me is why are they bothering.
    Virtualisation is a useful tool in migration (away from MS) and clearly MS don't want this. They want everything to run windows and make cross platform compatibility as difficult as they can get away with.

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkGeezer
    The thing that puzzles me is why are they bothering. People still needed licenses in order to run guest OSes. Microsoft would still get paid no matter how sucessful VMWare became in what is a niche market anyway.
    Because VMWare server runs on Linux. So you can save some money on OS licenses.

    MS is using its monopoly to force VMWare out of the marketplace (think Netscape and IE...). That way, those people using VMWare on Linux are forced to 'upgrade' to W2k3 server when VMWare implodes.

    Xen is another matter altogether as its open source and free in both senses.
    But can't run Windows because the drivers were developed for Windows at Berkeley under Microsofts restrictive non-compete licensing scheme. Until someone reverse engineers it (which is illegal in the EU and US under the laws MS and friends paid^H^H^Hlobbied for) Xen can't fill the same niche VMWare does.

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    Re: MS Virtual Server for free?

    Virtual server does not support any non windows guests at the moment. Not that they don't work, but they are unsupported.

    Vmware is much more powerful when you move to ESX. Hot migration of running instances of virtual machines to another physical host is an excellent utility. I can upgrade the physical box, bios and esx version without any downtime by vmotioning the running machines off of the box.

    Without this facility virtual server still limits you to hardware to some extent. I have around 15 virtual servers running across 4 hosts at the moment, 2 are unused still. Just 5 or so physical servers left until migration has been completed.

    I can deploy a new server from a template in 10 minutes. Licensing cost is still peanuts for the windows server as I do it through schools agreement.

    ESX is however not cheap, but I though it was worth a try, I'm very pleased with it at the moment.

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