Windows Thread, System clock running very fast in Technical; this seems a weird one to me.
just got in the new job and sorting things out in the office. ...
6th August 2008, 03:26 PM #1
System clock running very fast
this seems a weird one to me.
just got in the new job and sorting things out in the office. i noticed that on the pc i use, the clock was out by aabout ten mins, so i altered the time to match my phone exactly.
a few hours later, and the pc time is ten mins ahead. if you open up the clock and watch the hand moving around, it appears to be faster than a normal clock.
i've looked on google but a lot of the options relate to bittorrent clients and things like that which i know aren't installed on here.
i also dont have the 'internet time' tab to sync it an NTP server.
it's obviously not a major issue as i still have my phone and a clock on the wall, but i'm just thinking if it becomes an issue school wide
6th August 2008, 03:27 PM #2
What time does your friendly local DC think it is?
6th August 2008, 03:29 PM #3
Do your machines not all look at a server to get their time?
Ours all get it from the DC which in turn gets it from a NTP server online.
The time needs to be fairly accurate for Kerberos.
6th August 2008, 03:32 PM #4
- Rep Power
As in the previous post the time is synced with the domain controller (the first one created in the forest I believe) so when you change it locally on your system it will just sync back with the domain controller at some point.
So the way to get around this is either keep setting the clock on the domain controller to match the correct time or simply use NTP this is configured on the domain controller by using:
net time /setsntp:<<servername>>
I recommend you use pool ntp servers, also make sure you have NTP open on your firewall otherwise it won't sync.
Once you've set the NTP server on the domain controller you can resync the time by doing w32tm /resync
6th August 2008, 03:35 PM #5
I have had this kind of issue before on a single machine but much more extreme, it thought a full minute had passed each second but other than that the system seemed fine.
It turned out to be an issue with the network adapter as when I replaced it the problem went away. It may be possible that an add on device in your system is also generating power spikes on the pci bus causing extra clock ticks.
Additionally you could also check the BIOS battery in the system to make sure that it is still providing the right voltage, it should not effect the clock but is still worth checking.
6th August 2008, 03:36 PM #6
6th August 2008, 03:59 PM #7
ok ive set the server time to the correct one, resynced mine, and tomorrow ill have a look on isa and check that ntp is allowed.
within the time of me writing this, the server (and therefore my machine) have gone 1 minute faster than my phone.
I'll leave this til tomorrow as to be honest I have bigger things i need to work on.
thanks for the help though everyone, i'll come back to this tomorrow
6th August 2008, 04:19 PM #8
It's probably the CMOS battery running down. I lower voltage can make the crystal oscillator run a bit faster.
The lower voltage means it doesn't have as far to switch from the top to the bottom of the cycle, making each cycle a little bit shorter than it should be.
6th August 2008, 05:02 PM #9
errrr?? Are you sure???
Originally Posted by OverWorked
As I understand it, the quartz crystal has a resonant frequency which should be very stable. It does depend on a sort of feedback loop and I'd guess if the battery is running down then that might be affected but I wouldn't have thought that that mattered when the computer was running from mains power.
It could be a faulty capacitor - back in the olden days (:-)) digital clocks used to have a variable capacitor so you could fractionally adjust the timekeeping. Don't think they are ever fitted to PC motherboards - I'm guessing that they're supposed to be more stable and not need adjusting but if a cap goes leaky or something then it might fail.
You can configure how often the time service checks against the server; if you set this to (say) every 5 minutes then that ought to keep it stable.
6th August 2008, 05:29 PM #10
I know it sounds far fetched, and I was expecting such a response, but I've seen it first hand.
Originally Posted by srochford
Way back when I was doing my Electronic eng degree, I had a crystal oscilator on my final year project running fast. My tutor told me I was underpowering it. He was right (he should have been - he had a PhD in electronic eng). I increased the voltage to the what it should have been and it kept the frequency it was supposed to.
I've seen several old PCs do the same. The clock starts running fast a few weeks or months before the CMOS battery goes.
6th August 2008, 05:37 PM #11
I read that as flux capacitor.....
Originally Posted by srochford
I didn't think servers could reach 88 miles an hour (or 1.21 gigawatts for that matter)
7th August 2008, 10:28 AM #12
Retraction (and an alternative explanation!)
I need to make full retraction of what I've said in this thread.
Last night I thought long and hard about what I believed of crystal oscillators. I now recall that the problem I had with the oscillator in my electronics project, and the conversation I had with my electronics tutor, was about low input voltage distorting the output waveform, not the frequency.
It was a false memory of an event almost 20 years ago. For some reason I've been carrying around the belief of crystal oscillators speeding up under low voltage for all this time without questioning it. It's a good job I never had a career in electronics.
As for the CMOS clocks on old PCs with low batteries slowly gaining time: I must have imagined it, based on that false memory.
It's funny how the mind works. I've been alone all week, stuck in a empty school, and my mind's going. I need a holiday.
However, it is possible that the crystal oscillator on your mobo is just bad (it does happen). See these results. In which case, there's nothing you can do about it, except replace the mobo.
Last edited by OverWorked; 7th August 2008 at 10:31 AM.
7th August 2008, 10:52 AM #13
- Rep Power
i have had 2 pc's (one hp server 1 dell box) have issues with time.
flashing the BIOS would always fix the problem for a day or so but then it would come back. Replacing the CMOS battery fixed the problem and both boxes are running fine today.
Thanks to SOSAGES from:
OverWorked (7th August 2008)
7th August 2008, 11:07 AM #14
Ha! So I hadn't imagined it. A low battery can affect the RTC.
Originally Posted by SOSAGES
Thanks SOSAGES, I thought I was going mad.
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