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    Re: The perfect base image...

    I've started putting that new Silverlight player on too for when things start to use it.

    We have to do everything on the image here, our network is too slow and flaky for GPO especially with the wireless laptops it sends logon times through the roof and often fails to apply, so until the next financial year we're stuck.

    If anything has to get put on after imaging its a case of using netsupport to execute the installer at the clients and walking round pressing enter

    Only problems I've had so far are Promissor and Dance eJay "Network Edition", both of which I prefer not to discuss in detail

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    Re: The perfect base image...

    Quote Originally Posted by meastaugh1
    Quote Originally Posted by john
    How are you deploying the Java? I tried and well failed
    In what way did you fail?

    It should just be a case of extracting the MSI from the local temp folder, then transforming the installation.
    http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/te...stall-msi.html
    I probably fell over on the transforms, but I like to tinker IE no Caching of java stuff and no auto updates as that can cause it to crash and stick at times, but I don't mind being a few versions behind. I tend to re-image my main machines every term if not half term.

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    Re: The perfect base image...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium
    Quote Originally Posted by torledo
    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium
    Windows XP + Updates - shame XP isn't like Vista
    Adobe Master Collection (where applicable)
    Serif DrawPlus/PagePlus (crap but insisted )

    Everything else is installed via Group Policy


    NB: How do you get XP to be HAL Independant??
    Another Pageplus user eh ? Our staff lurvvvve PP.

    We did have an issue with Pageplus 11 whereby some features weren't available to users who weren't members of the local admin group.

    It was the only app that did this , and contravened our security policy.
    Fortunately they fixed this oversight in PP X2.
    I personally didn't want ANY Serif applications on there. Each one as far as I'm concered has been replaced by at least one application within the Adobe Master Collection.

    But noooooo, apparently I'm wrong - In the end I had to give in due to anemail to the head I know I'm right though, and that's all that matters.


    While on the subject of base images...

    be sure to remove the XP games I made that mistake once...

    We don't use redirected start menu's, so we tidy those up too - removing/hiding the stuff nobody needs to click on... AV, Defender, Messenger etc.
    I think the trend is for things like redirected start menus, and dozens of applied GPO's so that image creation isn't the time consuming task it used to be, but more importantly so that you don't have to put too much thought into it. For instance i know that for a lot of people on here the base image is just a win xp base install with sp2 and one or two plugins, all the rest can be applied via GPO's or remotely through you're WSUS server, AV server etc.

    When you use that approach it becomes pretty straightforward. And a lot of the time you don't even need to image, a windows unattended install is good enough if everything is done through GPO's and login scripts.

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    Re: The perfect base image...

    you asked for it: LOL

    Make LOCAL POWER USERS GROUPS inc. DOMAIN USERS

    C:\ permissions for domain users - modify

    Service Pack 2 + all updates...latest media player....& .net framework

    Acrobat Reader 8

    WinZip

    etrust antivirus v 7.1 and updates to 7.1.

    Office 2003

    VNC latest installer now : Q:\K\VNC\Client VNC latest

    Imagine Logo

    Insight 2

    Macromedia MX suite

    Mind Manager

    QuickTime

    CUTE pdf WRITER

    Flash Player

    RealPlayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/audiohelp_install.shtml (use admin@balcarras.gloucs.sch.uk to sign in and usual password)

    Shockwave

    Starter

    WinAVI (power dvd required to make it work)

    Pro Desktop 8 (fix it by starting new design - draw circle - feature extrude profile.)

    Corel Draw 12 (register now then click never register) + patch

    Seriff packages : MoviePlus - PagePlus11 - PhotoPlus

    Autograph v3

    Java

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Browser\Parameters]
    "MaintainServerList=No"

    HeadSTART (\\fp2\HSSTSCL\Install\MSI's (both)

    Tweak - proxycfg -u

    Print Manager Plus End User Tool

    Shutdown script.

    SYSPREP
    (remove etrust ID key)
    AND GHOST

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    Re: The perfect base image...

    For all the new images I make now (deployed with SMS OSD) I make an image sheet with the base software on that goes on every machine, that way there's something to refer back to later on...

    Obvious stuff like the basic XP setup, correct screen res etc

    Copy all driver files to a folder called c:\#install in case they're needed later (sometimes after re-imaging the OS re-copies the drivers)
    Copy i386 folder to c:\i386
    Windows Defender
    SMS Client
    Office inc Visio etc
    Encarta 2008
    Codec Packs inc. correct programs set for Autoplay
    Hot Potatoes (teachers use it all the time to make resources)
    Adobe Reader 8
    Flash \ Shockwave Player
    Digital Image Suite 2006
    Photo Story
    Tidy up the Start Menu (delete Outlook Express, Windows Messenger, MSN and move a few other bits under accessories)

    For SmartBoards I put the software on the image and for our graphics rooms Adobe CS2 is on there as well

    On Admin machines with Office 2007 I also put on the PDF and XPS converters so staff have a PDF writer on every machine.

    Overall a nice neat image only comes to a few GB and has most of the day-to-day stuff on there, I'm glad in Adult Education we don't have as many apps as some schools do - I remember testing 20+ different software packages for compatibility a few years back... nightmare!

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    Re: The perfect base image...

    Quote Originally Posted by gshaw
    For all the new images I make now (deployed with SMS OSD) I make an image sheet with the base software on that goes on every machine, that way there's something to refer back to later on...

    Obvious stuff like the basic XP setup, correct screen res etc

    Copy all driver files to a folder called c:\#install in case they're needed later (sometimes after re-imaging the OS re-copies the drivers)
    Copy i386 folder to c:\i386
    Windows Defender
    SMS Client
    Office inc Visio etc
    Encarta 2008
    Codec Packs inc. correct programs set for Autoplay
    Hot Potatoes (teachers use it all the time to make resources)
    Adobe Reader 8
    Flash \ Shockwave Player
    Digital Image Suite 2006
    Photo Story
    Tidy up the Start Menu (delete Outlook Express, Windows Messenger, MSN and move a few other bits under accessories)

    For SmartBoards I put the software on the image and for our graphics rooms Adobe CS2 is on there as well

    On Admin machines with Office 2007 I also put on the PDF and XPS converters so staff have a PDF writer on every machine.

    Overall a nice neat image only comes to a few GB and has most of the day-to-day stuff on there, I'm glad in Adult Education we don't have as many apps as some schools do - I remember testing 20+ different software packages for compatibility a few years back... nightmare!
    We're also fortunate that as we don't have as many applications as schools, but i agree schools have a ton of applications.. what a nightmare. we got rid of all the crap a couple of years ago.. blackcat toolbox, JVT, and a load other stuff i've erased from memory.

    Our core education apps are mindmanager smart. Kartouche and multimedia science.
    Everything else we can accomplish using office, pageplus, photoshop and paintshop pro.

    Forgot to mention .NET framework is also on our base image.

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    Re: The perfect base image...

    Yeha we put .NET 1.1, 2 and 3 on ours as well, just grab em from Microsoft Update under the optional updates section

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    Re: The perfect base image...

    Bingo, well...nearly! It looks like I may have successfully created a generic, hal independent base windows xp image with all required software and settings that is captured and then deployable using WDS to all our PCs and laptops (Dell - D505, D510, D520, GX520 and 755). It correctly loads the required drivers for each machine and joins the domain in the correct OU ready to be used by domain users.

    This has been the first time I have experimented with WDS and SYSPREP and it has taken the best part of a week to get everything setup and working, cobbling together the various different resources and guides available online. I have scribbled notes along the way so I hope to be able to put together a complete step-by-step guide from start to finish sometime in the next couple of weeks (bit busy at the moment!).

    This is all on a test server/setup at the moment so the real test will be when I have to replicate my steps in order to implement it on the production server/network next week.

    The things I haven't yet implemented (not tried as of this moment) is using a WDSClientUnattend.xml file to automate drive partitioning, formatting etc and adding reg tweaks after sysprep and mini-setup have run.

    I feel quite clever at the moment! Not sure how long it'll last though ;-)

    Dave.

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    Re: The perfect base image...

    How's WDS panning out, at the mo we use SMS OSD pack, which works beautifully but in the last year or so the goalposts have changed so much I've seen OSD, ImageX and now WDS being used for deployment :?

    We get SMS cheap on Campus License and I like all the extra management stuff but now Microsoft have System Center Essentials that gives you some MOM-like monitoring stuff as well as patch management etc but no deployment features. So it would have to be SCE + WDS or SMS.

    From what I read WDS seems to be pretty fiddly, in SMS I just click a box to add network drivers yet in WDS you have to custom build the WinPE etc???

    Hopefully the goalposts won't change too much now, already seen about 3 versions of the WIM image format come and go, maybe it might settle now!

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    Re: The perfect base image...

    Quote Originally Posted by djones
    Bingo, well...nearly! It looks like I may have successfully created a generic, hal independent base windows xp image with all required software and settings that is captured and then deployable using WDS to all our PCs and laptops (Dell - D505, D510, D520, GX520 and 755). It correctly loads the required drivers for each machine and joins the domain in the correct OU ready to be used by domain users.

    This has been the first time I have experimented with WDS and SYSPREP and it has taken the best part of a week to get everything setup and working, cobbling together the various different resources and guides available online. I have scribbled notes along the way so I hope to be able to put together a complete step-by-step guide from start to finish sometime in the next couple of weeks (bit busy at the moment!).

    This is all on a test server/setup at the moment so the real test will be when I have to replicate my steps in order to implement it on the production server/network next week.

    The things I haven't yet implemented (not tried as of this moment) is using a WDSClientUnattend.xml file to automate drive partitioning, formatting etc and adding reg tweaks after sysprep and mini-setup have run.

    I feel quite clever at the moment! Not sure how long it'll last though ;-)

    Dave.
    Looking forward to reading the step-by-step guide. It's going to be very useful for us.

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    WDS/SYSPREP guide

    Step-by-step guide to using WDS/SYSPREP to deploy hardware independent Windows XP images

    Ok, a little later than planned but nevermind! It is still a tad rough around the edges but the gist is there.

    I haven't yet written up the WDSClientUnattend.xml bits yet, the caveats/troubleshooting steps I stumbled upon or the list of reference sites and docs I used but the bulk is there!

    Edit: WDSClientUnattend.xml section is complete and I'm gradually adding to the troubleshooting section.

    If you do have a look or even use any bits, please leave some feedback - especially if there are mistakes or parts that don't make sense.

    Dave.
    Last edited by djones; 25th May 2008 at 12:12 PM.

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    On our images i just have:
    XP
    SP2
    All windows updates
    Ogg codec.
    ffsshow.
    Ac3 filter.

    Currently we have any apps that cant be MSI'd or on a shared drive in them as well, but in future, they're going.
    Im using the excuse 'for future compatibility'.
    lol.

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    I always start with a fresh XP install every year, install flash/Shockwave/JRE, Realplayer etc, codec pack, PDF reader/writer and all the basics and packages. Then I join it to the domain, install Office 2003 with transforms, AV, Set up outlook and so on.

    Then I set no swapfile, remove Sys restore points, remove any hibernate file and defunct junk, copy the drivers and sysprep folder over preconfigured. The "Finish" folder goes in and contains a batch file that runs post sysprep to execute regmerges to set swap, cleartype, and run any other "additional" programs off a networked drive that may be needed "between image revisions".

    Then nip into device manager and set the HAL back to "standard PC" and let it reboot with all that.

    Then sysprep, boot off PEbuilder and ghost the base image. Hal independance is great..at some point, maybe the LEA will catch up. It's not hard to stick the HAL lines in sysprep to have the machine figure itself out, after all.

    No WDS servers, no PXE booting...not upto us at this point. We just make do with ghostcaster. Can do an entire suite in an hour or so..good enough.

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    one 'trick' that i have learnt is:-

    after a fresh install of windows xp and all updates, logon as the hidden administrator account, and set up things how you like them, the main advantage of this is that you can set power settings .

    sysprep the machine, and the administrator gets copied over the default user.

    restart the machine, and when it is up and running rename the administrator to admin, this stops the above sysprep problem occuring next time.

    now setup the local default user profile, but it is already part way done, plus it has had the power settings adjusted how you want them.

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